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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: Eunomia &#187; Full Circle</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-11506</link>
		<dc:creator>Eunomia &#187; Full Circle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To recap: one of Obama&#8217;s advisors, Gen. McPeak, once made aÂ claim in an old interviewÂ about resistance to change in U.S. policy on Israel and Palestine coming in part from &#8220;New York and Miami,&#8221; which almost everyone sought to make into an invidious &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; statement.Â  Today comes news that the McCain camp has won the support of a major Jewish donor from south Florida, who had previously been a major contributor to Democratic campaigns, because of Obama&#8217;s alleged weakness on Israel. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To recap: one of Obama&#8217;s advisors, Gen. McPeak, once made aÂ claim in an old interviewÂ about resistance to change in U.S. policy on Israel and Palestine coming in part from &#8220;New York and Miami,&#8221; which almost everyone sought to make into an invidious &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; statement.Â  Today comes news that the McCain camp has won the support of a major Jewish donor from south Florida, who had previously been a major contributor to Democratic campaigns, because of Obama&#8217;s alleged weakness on Israel. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9765</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure Siegel used to be a Giuliani man who became a McCain supporter after Giuliani&#039;s endorsement, but I am not positive about that.  No doubt, anything involving the Clintons is more cynical and unsavory, almost by definition.  That&#039;s what they do.  

One of my concerns about the &quot;alliance of convenience&quot; is that it will prove to be convenient for Obama and absolutely useless for us.  (I know, I know, as compared to what?)  It&#039;s the same problem that we keep encountering whenever we talk about a Left-Right alliance against the War Party: on account of their superior numbers, if for no other reason, the leftist side of such an alliance will eventually predominate.  If we find the GOP too compromised and bankrupt, what can really lead us to strike up an alliance with Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Siegel used to be a Giuliani man who became a McCain supporter after Giuliani&#8217;s endorsement, but I am not positive about that.  No doubt, anything involving the Clintons is more cynical and unsavory, almost by definition.  That&#8217;s what they do.  </p>
<p>One of my concerns about the &#8220;alliance of convenience&#8221; is that it will prove to be convenient for Obama and absolutely useless for us.  (I know, I know, as compared to what?)  It&#8217;s the same problem that we keep encountering whenever we talk about a Left-Right alliance against the War Party: on account of their superior numbers, if for no other reason, the leftist side of such an alliance will eventually predominate.  If we find the GOP too compromised and bankrupt, what can really lead us to strike up an alliance with Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: MuteNostrilAgony</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9763</link>
		<dc:creator>MuteNostrilAgony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ... but for more than a year the Clintons have engaged in a weird kind of rapprochement with all the conservative media institutions that warred against them in the &#039;90s.&quot; 


Dan, a while back you linked to an article by Fred Siegel complaining about pro-Obama liberals succumbing to the kind of &quot;Clinton Derangement Syndrome&quot; that used to be a monopoly of the Right. (Siegel, who I assume is either a Clinton or McCain supporter, is a self-described &quot;neoliberal on domestic policy and neoconservative on foreign policy.&quot;) 

Well, it would appear that the pro-Clinton forces are playing footsie with the Right themselves. Indeed, I would go so far as to argue that whatever game Clinton is playing with the American Spectator is more cynical and unsavory than any alliance of convenience between Obama and some libertarian/paleocons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; but for more than a year the Clintons have engaged in a weird kind of rapprochement with all the conservative media institutions that warred against them in the &#8217;90s.&#8221; </p>
<p>Dan, a while back you linked to an article by Fred Siegel complaining about pro-Obama liberals succumbing to the kind of &#8220;Clinton Derangement Syndrome&#8221; that used to be a monopoly of the Right. (Siegel, who I assume is either a Clinton or McCain supporter, is a self-described &#8220;neoliberal on domestic policy and neoconservative on foreign policy.&#8221;) </p>
<p>Well, it would appear that the pro-Clinton forces are playing footsie with the Right themselves. Indeed, I would go so far as to argue that whatever game Clinton is playing with the American Spectator is more cynical and unsavory than any alliance of convenience between Obama and some libertarian/paleocons.</p>
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		<title>By: richards1052</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>richards1052</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: Thanks for linking to my own blog post about this in yr follow up blog post above.  Of course, the Goldberg piece is beyond despicable.  Pure propaganda worthy of Daniel Pipes, Norman Podhoretz, Marty Peretz &amp; similar ideologues.

I don&#039;t know if I can say this here but the shit just keep s on comin&#039;.  Jewish Telegraphic Agency is foaming at the mouth that Jeremiah Wright&#039;s church newsletter reprinted an L.A. Times op ed written by a Hamas represenatitve arguing that Hamas should not have to recognize Israel before negotiating with it.  And Obama has felt compelled to bown on bended knee &amp; admit that this was a TERRIBLE thing for Wright to have done.  Hell, even a former Mossad director has written publicly in an Israeli newspaper that this condition is simply stupid &amp; counter productive.

I tell you it&#039;s getting uglier &amp; uglier.  Anyway, it&#039;s the least I can do to at my blog to post about what I hope will become my own political neologism: Obamaphobia.  The Jewish variety is partiuclarly virulent unfortunately.  Someone&#039;s got to watch out for this ugliness &amp; call it for what it is &amp; that&#039;s what I&#039;m doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: Thanks for linking to my own blog post about this in yr follow up blog post above.  Of course, the Goldberg piece is beyond despicable.  Pure propaganda worthy of Daniel Pipes, Norman Podhoretz, Marty Peretz &amp; similar ideologues.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I can say this here but the shit just keep s on comin&#8217;.  Jewish Telegraphic Agency is foaming at the mouth that Jeremiah Wright&#8217;s church newsletter reprinted an L.A. Times op ed written by a Hamas represenatitve arguing that Hamas should not have to recognize Israel before negotiating with it.  And Obama has felt compelled to bown on bended knee &amp; admit that this was a TERRIBLE thing for Wright to have done.  Hell, even a former Mossad director has written publicly in an Israeli newspaper that this condition is simply stupid &amp; counter productive.</p>
<p>I tell you it&#8217;s getting uglier &amp; uglier.  Anyway, it&#8217;s the least I can do to at my blog to post about what I hope will become my own political neologism: Obamaphobia.  The Jewish variety is partiuclarly virulent unfortunately.  Someone&#8217;s got to watch out for this ugliness &amp; call it for what it is &amp; that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustrofedon</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9751</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustrofedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some serious doubts about Obama, as a dangerous sort of liberal interventionist, but this kind of obscene, patently dishonest attack by this bizarre alliance of the Clinton Mafia and the Neo-Cons, does make me wonder. Anyone who has such enemies must not be so bad after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some serious doubts about Obama, as a dangerous sort of liberal interventionist, but this kind of obscene, patently dishonest attack by this bizarre alliance of the Clinton Mafia and the Neo-Cons, does make me wonder. Anyone who has such enemies must not be so bad after all.</p>
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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9747</link>
		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, breaking the back of this kind of vile shit is IMO reason enough, by itself, to justify an Obama vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, breaking the back of this kind of vile shit is IMO reason enough, by itself, to justify an Obama vote.</p>
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		<title>By: davegnyc</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9746</link>
		<dc:creator>davegnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The super zionists always try to hide behind &quot;the jews&quot;. 

Critics are calling out zionists/neocons by name for a reason - because Jews are all over the spectrum on this issue.

However, when it suits the zionists they want to smear the word zionist/neocon into all jews, because then they can say the point is invalid, which it is.

Problem is, that is not what anyone said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The super zionists always try to hide behind &#8220;the jews&#8221;. </p>
<p>Critics are calling out zionists/neocons by name for a reason &#8211; because Jews are all over the spectrum on this issue.</p>
<p>However, when it suits the zionists they want to smear the word zionist/neocon into all jews, because then they can say the point is invalid, which it is.</p>
<p>Problem is, that is not what anyone said.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sailer</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9745</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has tried harder to distance himself from Brzezinski than from Wright!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has tried harder to distance himself from Brzezinski than from Wright!</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/03/26/mcpeak-obama-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-9741</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Goldberg piece is truly vile. Perhaps I&#039;m naÃ¯ve be astonished that the Clintonistas are circulating it, but I am. The &lt;i&gt;AmSpec&lt;/i&gt; was in the forefront of the anti-Bill Clinton scandalmongering of the &#039;90s, and the piece itself is so utterly crude.

Can a photoshopped image of Sen. Obama in bed with a boy be far behind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Goldberg piece is truly vile. Perhaps I&#8217;m naÃ¯ve be astonished that the Clintonistas are circulating it, but I am. The <i>AmSpec</i> was in the forefront of the anti-Bill Clinton scandalmongering of the &#8217;90s, and the piece itself is so utterly crude.</p>
<p>Can a photoshopped image of Sen. Obama in bed with a boy be far behind?</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but regardless of whether he really believes them he will not depart from them in the future for the same reason that he adopted them in the first place (if you assume that his calls for a more â€œeven-handedâ€ approach were sincere).&quot;

Dead on accurate.  If Obama (correctly) feels that there is a strong political headwind against any change in American policy during the primaries, he must surely know that that same headwind will be there if he wins in November.  The mere fact of him being President doesn&#039;t change that there is a real and deep anti-Palestinian animus in this country, and not just in NY and Miami.   It&#039;s a moot point what he believes in his heart of hearts now; if he is truly wanting to change direction in this area he is going to have to invest a significant amount of political capital and time actually speaking to the American people on why the over-emphasis on Israeli military solutions is, in the long term, bad for us and them.  Food for thought for those considering an Obama vote.

&quot;McPeak also noted: â€œThe secret of the neoconservative movement is that itâ€™s not conservative, itâ€™s radical. Guys like me, who are conservatives, are upset about these neocons calling themselves conservative when theyâ€™re so radical.â€

Guys like McPeak are upset because they think Jews have too much influence.&quot;

Is it even in dispute that &quot;democracy promotion through superior firepower&quot; wins the gold medal for &quot;least conservative idea ever&quot;?  Goldberg is simply despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but regardless of whether he really believes them he will not depart from them in the future for the same reason that he adopted them in the first place (if you assume that his calls for a more â€œeven-handedâ€ approach were sincere).&#8221;</p>
<p>Dead on accurate.  If Obama (correctly) feels that there is a strong political headwind against any change in American policy during the primaries, he must surely know that that same headwind will be there if he wins in November.  The mere fact of him being President doesn&#8217;t change that there is a real and deep anti-Palestinian animus in this country, and not just in NY and Miami.   It&#8217;s a moot point what he believes in his heart of hearts now; if he is truly wanting to change direction in this area he is going to have to invest a significant amount of political capital and time actually speaking to the American people on why the over-emphasis on Israeli military solutions is, in the long term, bad for us and them.  Food for thought for those considering an Obama vote.</p>
<p>&#8220;McPeak also noted: â€œThe secret of the neoconservative movement is that itâ€™s not conservative, itâ€™s radical. Guys like me, who are conservatives, are upset about these neocons calling themselves conservative when theyâ€™re so radical.â€</p>
<p>Guys like McPeak are upset because they think Jews have too much influence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it even in dispute that &#8220;democracy promotion through superior firepower&#8221; wins the gold medal for &#8220;least conservative idea ever&#8221;?  Goldberg is simply despicable.</p>
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