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	<title>Comments on: They Invade The Desert And Call It Peace</title>
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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;d be no need for the announcement retraction.   Occasional Chinese poking and prodding would reveal the change in our stance.  Past that point once the continuing growth in the Chinese capacity reached the point where they were convinced they could &quot;pull it off,&quot; there&#039;d be hot war or slow strangulation until the Taiwanese realized that they&#039;d reached a most opportune moment to reunite.  

Obviously, no one else in the world could suppose that we&#039;d exert ourselves to maintain the level international stability established in the Post WWII era in areas of the world.    We&#039;d abandoned our ally from the Second World War, a vibrant democracy, a country with which we shared extensive commercial, cultural, and familial ties.

It is necessary for our well-being to prevent the arms races,, the pre-emptive warring, and the pretenders to regional dominance that would spring up immediately?  Plainly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;d be no need for the announcement retraction.   Occasional Chinese poking and prodding would reveal the change in our stance.  Past that point once the continuing growth in the Chinese capacity reached the point where they were convinced they could &#8220;pull it off,&#8221; there&#8217;d be hot war or slow strangulation until the Taiwanese realized that they&#8217;d reached a most opportune moment to reunite.  </p>
<p>Obviously, no one else in the world could suppose that we&#8217;d exert ourselves to maintain the level international stability established in the Post WWII era in areas of the world.    We&#8217;d abandoned our ally from the Second World War, a vibrant democracy, a country with which we shared extensive commercial, cultural, and familial ties.</p>
<p>It is necessary for our well-being to prevent the arms races,, the pre-emptive warring, and the pretenders to regional dominance that would spring up immediately?  Plainly.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would happen to Taiwan?  The Chinese might try to take it over, and according to what I understand that our Navy says about the Chinese Navy they wouldn&#039;t be able to pull it off, which makes it unlikely that they would attempt it.  A majority of Taiwanese favor eventual, peaceful reunification in some form, so to have Taiwan again Beijing need merely wait and negotiate the terms.  There is also nothing written that not defending Taiwan means not being willing to sell them arms if that would help them in their own defense.  That wouldn&#039;t be strict neutrality, I suppose, but contrary to the &quot;rigid dogmatism&quot; charge I am willing to flexible up to a point.  

The quasi-guarantee to Taiwan is a perfect example of the sort of unnecessary role I&#039;m opposing.  Of course the President need not make any announcement that the U.S. will not lift a finger.  You don&#039;t have to give away strategic ambiguity with respect to important trading partners to stop maintaining an outdated military presence in the rest of East Asia.  This is not a case of dogmatism, but of stressing the American interest first and foremost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen to Taiwan?  The Chinese might try to take it over, and according to what I understand that our Navy says about the Chinese Navy they wouldn&#8217;t be able to pull it off, which makes it unlikely that they would attempt it.  A majority of Taiwanese favor eventual, peaceful reunification in some form, so to have Taiwan again Beijing need merely wait and negotiate the terms.  There is also nothing written that not defending Taiwan means not being willing to sell them arms if that would help them in their own defense.  That wouldn&#8217;t be strict neutrality, I suppose, but contrary to the &#8220;rigid dogmatism&#8221; charge I am willing to flexible up to a point.  </p>
<p>The quasi-guarantee to Taiwan is a perfect example of the sort of unnecessary role I&#8217;m opposing.  Of course the President need not make any announcement that the U.S. will not lift a finger.  You don&#8217;t have to give away strategic ambiguity with respect to important trading partners to stop maintaining an outdated military presence in the rest of East Asia.  This is not a case of dogmatism, but of stressing the American interest first and foremost.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ongoing conflicts&quot; can and probably do refer to civil wars and insurgencies as well as international wars.  If the relevant measure for determining the effects of Pax Americana is maintaining international stability or limiting cross-border warfare, I&#039;m not sure that the incidence of the latter has decreased significantly in the last 20 years.  If we are in a relative lull, that&#039;s good to know, but it remains doubtful that this is a function of the &quot;quasi-imperial role.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ongoing conflicts&#8221; can and probably do refer to civil wars and insurgencies as well as international wars.  If the relevant measure for determining the effects of Pax Americana is maintaining international stability or limiting cross-border warfare, I&#8217;m not sure that the incidence of the latter has decreased significantly in the last 20 years.  If we are in a relative lull, that&#8217;s good to know, but it remains doubtful that this is a function of the &#8220;quasi-imperial role.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chrisgbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisgbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think would start to happen to Taiwan the day after a US president announces that America will no longer lift a finger in its defense?

Defending the liberty of millions of Taiwanese hasn&#039;t cost many American lives and has delivered very good value for very little money.  It&#039;s probably even more than paid for itself in trade.  

The same story is true of many (admittedly not all) US commitments elsewhere in the world.  The danger lies with rigid dogmatism (both imperialist and isolationist) which stubbornly diverges from prudential reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think would start to happen to Taiwan the day after a US president announces that America will no longer lift a finger in its defense?</p>
<p>Defending the liberty of millions of Taiwanese hasn&#8217;t cost many American lives and has delivered very good value for very little money.  It&#8217;s probably even more than paid for itself in trade.  </p>
<p>The same story is true of many (admittedly not all) US commitments elsewhere in the world.  The danger lies with rigid dogmatism (both imperialist and isolationist) which stubbornly diverges from prudential reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given the limited resources of any nation, there will not and cannot be a meaningful Pax Americana or its equivalent that extends to the whole world.&quot;

Especially limited, given the 9+ trillion national debt, the $400 billion fiscal defecit, and the current trade deficit.   Our &quot;resources&quot; to uphold this erstwhile Pax Americana are funded by foreign countries and investors.

&quot;. Itâ€™s very irritating how they are so accustomed and comfortable with the un-challenged deployment of euphamisms like â€œnational/strategic/regional interestsâ€, without ever being compelled to explain what they mean, and why what they mean is worth Mr. and Mrs. Smithâ€™s taxdollars and the lives of their children.&quot;

That is put as perfectly as I have ever seen it.  The alleged benefits of this hegemony are simply assumed, never articulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given the limited resources of any nation, there will not and cannot be a meaningful Pax Americana or its equivalent that extends to the whole world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Especially limited, given the 9+ trillion national debt, the $400 billion fiscal defecit, and the current trade deficit.   Our &#8220;resources&#8221; to uphold this erstwhile Pax Americana are funded by foreign countries and investors.</p>
<p>&#8220;. Itâ€™s very irritating how they are so accustomed and comfortable with the un-challenged deployment of euphamisms like â€œnational/strategic/regional interestsâ€, without ever being compelled to explain what they mean, and why what they mean is worth Mr. and Mrs. Smithâ€™s taxdollars and the lives of their children.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is put as perfectly as I have ever seen it.  The alleged benefits of this hegemony are simply assumed, never articulated.</p>
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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always had a problem with the fact that advocates of US global hegemony never seem to want to articulate the particular benefits of our neo-imperial posture.  It&#039;s very irritating how they are so accustomed and comfortable with the un-challenged deployment of euphamisms like &quot;national/strategic/regional interests&quot;, without ever being compelled to explain what they mean, and why what they mean is worth Mr. and Mrs. Smith&#039;s taxdollars and the lives of their children.

In addition to questioning how  &quot;ruling the world&quot; actually benefits Americans besides swelling nationalist pride as a vicarious substitute for self-esteem, It&#039;s also important to note the possible opportunity costs of being the world&#039;s policeman, not only against the national security implications of NOT being the world&#039;s policeman, but against how all those resources sucked into the Military Industrial Complex might be put to more productive use--use which may do far more to benefit Americans and humankind.

Arguments for American hegemony always come down to zero-sum arguments against other country&#039;s potential hegemony.  &quot;If we don&#039;t dominate them, they&#039;ll dominate us!&quot;  Its the Cold War mindset, and is unlikely to dissapear at least as long as the Cold Warriors still run the show.  Personally, I&#039;d favor a USA that acted more like Switzerland--let China or Russia undertake the enormous self-destructive burden of empire.  They&#039;re unlikely to be more successful than us at &quot;stablizing&quot; the world at tremendous cost to their economies and political systems.

Finally, there should be some cosmic dictate that demands all advocates of interventionism sacrifice half their earned income and their first born child to the front lines of whatever violent cause they support.  Leave the rest of us the hell alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had a problem with the fact that advocates of US global hegemony never seem to want to articulate the particular benefits of our neo-imperial posture.  It&#8217;s very irritating how they are so accustomed and comfortable with the un-challenged deployment of euphamisms like &#8220;national/strategic/regional interests&#8221;, without ever being compelled to explain what they mean, and why what they mean is worth Mr. and Mrs. Smith&#8217;s taxdollars and the lives of their children.</p>
<p>In addition to questioning how  &#8220;ruling the world&#8221; actually benefits Americans besides swelling nationalist pride as a vicarious substitute for self-esteem, It&#8217;s also important to note the possible opportunity costs of being the world&#8217;s policeman, not only against the national security implications of NOT being the world&#8217;s policeman, but against how all those resources sucked into the Military Industrial Complex might be put to more productive use&#8211;use which may do far more to benefit Americans and humankind.</p>
<p>Arguments for American hegemony always come down to zero-sum arguments against other country&#8217;s potential hegemony.  &#8220;If we don&#8217;t dominate them, they&#8217;ll dominate us!&#8221;  Its the Cold War mindset, and is unlikely to dissapear at least as long as the Cold Warriors still run the show.  Personally, I&#8217;d favor a USA that acted more like Switzerland&#8211;let China or Russia undertake the enormous self-destructive burden of empire.  They&#8217;re unlikely to be more successful than us at &#8220;stablizing&#8221; the world at tremendous cost to their economies and political systems.</p>
<p>Finally, there should be some cosmic dictate that demands all advocates of interventionism sacrifice half their earned income and their first born child to the front lines of whatever violent cause they support.  Leave the rest of us the hell alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny One Six</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benny One Six</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/ud/kampanjer/refleks/innspill/engasjement/prio.html?id=492941

&lt;i&gt;The number of ongoing conflicts has declined since shortly after the end of the Cold War and the severity of armed conflict has generally declied since World War II. This fact sharply contradicts many pessimistic perspectives bolstered by media headlines from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Darfur. Research conducted by the Centre for the Study of Civil War at PRIO, using the most recently updated data collected in collaboration with the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) at Uppsala University, indicates a more complex situation, with both reassuring and disturbing trends.

After a period of steady decline in the number of armed conflicts in the world, the downward trend has ended. Data from PRIO and Uppsala University indicates that the number of active conflicts is no longer sinking, but has held steady at 32 for three years in a row. Secondly, we are now in the longest period since World War II without interstate war (those fought between two or more countries). Moreover, we register no new conflicts of any type over the previous two years; this is the first time in the postwar period in which two years have passed with no new conflicts having broken out.

This report serves as a background paper for the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairsâ€™ programme, Refleks,Globalisation and national interests. We focus here on global trends in armed conflict with special emphasis on civil conflict, since it is the most common form of armed conflict.&lt;/I&gt;</description>
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<p><i>The number of ongoing conflicts has declined since shortly after the end of the Cold War and the severity of armed conflict has generally declied since World War II. This fact sharply contradicts many pessimistic perspectives bolstered by media headlines from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Darfur. Research conducted by the Centre for the Study of Civil War at PRIO, using the most recently updated data collected in collaboration with the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) at Uppsala University, indicates a more complex situation, with both reassuring and disturbing trends.</p>
<p>After a period of steady decline in the number of armed conflicts in the world, the downward trend has ended. Data from PRIO and Uppsala University indicates that the number of active conflicts is no longer sinking, but has held steady at 32 for three years in a row. Secondly, we are now in the longest period since World War II without interstate war (those fought between two or more countries). Moreover, we register no new conflicts of any type over the previous two years; this is the first time in the postwar period in which two years have passed with no new conflicts having broken out.</p>
<p>This report serves as a background paper for the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairsâ€™ programme, Refleks,Globalisation and national interests. We focus here on global trends in armed conflict with special emphasis on civil conflict, since it is the most common form of armed conflict.</i></p>
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