Comments on: Good Grief http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/ n. the principle of good order<br /><br /> "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:02:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: abuhatem http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13219 abuhatem Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:56:43 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/#comment-13219 I apologize for the late response. Yes, the current government led by Wahhabi Islam (denounced as a heresy by the Grand Mufti of the Ottoman Empire in the 18th century as well as the Sheikh al-Azhar of Egypt) does not allow any non-Muslims into Mecca. Yet the Wahhabis do allow Shiite Muslims to Hajj - which are recognized as heretics and non-Muslims by the overwhelming majority of Wahhabis. I apologize for the late response.

Yes, the current government led by Wahhabi Islam (denounced as a heresy by the Grand Mufti of the Ottoman Empire in the 18th century as well as the Sheikh al-Azhar of Egypt) does not allow any non-Muslims into Mecca.

Yet the Wahhabis do allow Shiite Muslims to Hajj – which are recognized as heretics and non-Muslims by the overwhelming majority of Wahhabis.

]]> By: Daniel Larison http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12510 Daniel Larison Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:03:48 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/#comment-12510 Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the clarification. As a practical matter, though, a journey to Mecca would be extremely difficult for a non-Muslim under the current government, would it not? Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the clarification. As a practical matter, though, a journey to Mecca would be extremely difficult for a non-Muslim under the current government, would it not?

]]> By: abuhatem http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12485 abuhatem Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:27:18 +0000 http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/21/good-grief-2/#comment-12485 As an orthodox traditionalist Sunni Muslim (and conservative) I should inform you that there is not unanimity by Muslim jurists and classical Islamic jurisprudence upon the point that "non-Muslims are not permitted into Mecca." Indeed, there is unanimity that non-Muslims cannot take up permanent residence in Mecca as holy land, yet many classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence (such as the Shafiite school for instance) did permit non-Muslim entrance into Mecca. While About.com does serve as an interesting resource sometimes - like Wikipedia - I would recommend Tim Winter's Cambridge Companion to Classical Islamic Theology as a useful, erudite, and handy English language resource. Winter, a practicing orthodox traditionalist Sunni Muslim, gives justice to his subject. As an orthodox traditionalist Sunni Muslim (and conservative) I should inform you that there is not unanimity by Muslim jurists and classical Islamic jurisprudence upon the point that “non-Muslims are not permitted into Mecca.”

Indeed, there is unanimity that non-Muslims cannot take up permanent residence in Mecca as holy land, yet many classical schools of Islamic jurisprudence (such as the Shafiite school for instance) did permit non-Muslim entrance into Mecca.

While About.com does serve as an interesting resource sometimes – like Wikipedia – I would recommend Tim Winter’s Cambridge Companion to Classical Islamic Theology as a useful, erudite, and handy English language resource. Winter, a practicing orthodox traditionalist Sunni Muslim, gives justice to his subject.

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