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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: Brien</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12757</link>
		<dc:creator>Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read a more soul-stirring call to envy.   Its power is such that in addition to spurring a review of our environmental policy, it could be the motive force behind our trade and defense policies as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read a more soul-stirring call to envy.   Its power is such that in addition to spurring a review of our environmental policy, it could be the motive force behind our trade and defense policies as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Heritage Times &#187; Some items to ponder&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12733</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Heritage Times &#187; Some items to ponder&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rush Limbaugh thinks the government outght to subsidize fuel consumptionÂ in the name of economic growth. Larison has a nice response. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12717</link>
		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you put it that way, I understand why it would be exceedingly difficult and donâ€™t disagree with you about the obstacles to mass appeal â€œThe Larison Showâ€ would face.  However, Iâ€™ve had this furious itch for a long time that a very large part of why there hasnâ€™t been any penetration of weighty, gripping discourse (as opposed to power politics and gossip) into popular media, is a combined lack of personal commitment and imagination among those who would be best qualified to spearhead the effort.

  Blogs, podcasts and videologues are expressly designed to cater to a certain niche audience.  It would be foolish to think that these formats could form the basis of a commercial endeavor into mass media.  But I refuse to believe that there is no more room for commercially viable innovation in the merger of information and entertainment.  
Are we to resign ourselves to the hugely depressing assumption that thereâ€™s simply no way to make honest and intelligent discourse engaging and entertaining to a wider audience?

  
I think itâ€™s wrong to assume that, for example, a debate over the merits of interventionism vs. non-interventionism must be overly stuffy and dryly academic.  One just need keep in mind that the listening audience consists of regular people who can best process new ideas in terms of metaphors and analogies.  Granted, some intellectuals have severe difficulties communicating to laypeople, but some donâ€™t.  I for one remember a sense of giddy excitement when I was first exposed to ideas that caused me to question the validity of the two-dimensional partisan divide, compelling me to think in terms of concepts and values, rather than the superficial grab-bag political position staking I had thus far accepted at face-value.  I was very entertained and invigorated by the feeling that I was learning how the world really worked.  Most people are.


To illustrate what Iâ€™m talking about, The Bill Maher show comes the closest to approaching what Iâ€™d consider an intellectually elevated infotainment program in practice.  For the most part, Real Time with Bill Maher is an exercise in how to waste its own potential, but on the rare occasions its good, itâ€™s really good and very entertaining.  He invited a diverse mix of intelligent people to discuss issues of weight (among other things) which at times acheived an honest airing of real ideas, real perspectives and real emotions that, however brief, enraptured the audience completely.

 If you subtracted the obnoxious egotism, bad humor and pandering to celebrities, it might have led the way in cementing a successful formula for expansion into commercial and basic cable television.  More importantly, a successful show of that nature would set a precedent and invite imitators, at some point permeating the collective consciousness to compete with pundit shows and opinion â€œjournalismâ€ as a popular vehicle for political and social knowledge.

Are you telling me that this is impossible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you put it that way, I understand why it would be exceedingly difficult and donâ€™t disagree with you about the obstacles to mass appeal â€œThe Larison Showâ€ would face.  However, Iâ€™ve had this furious itch for a long time that a very large part of why there hasnâ€™t been any penetration of weighty, gripping discourse (as opposed to power politics and gossip) into popular media, is a combined lack of personal commitment and imagination among those who would be best qualified to spearhead the effort.</p>
<p>  Blogs, podcasts and videologues are expressly designed to cater to a certain niche audience.  It would be foolish to think that these formats could form the basis of a commercial endeavor into mass media.  But I refuse to believe that there is no more room for commercially viable innovation in the merger of information and entertainment.<br />
Are we to resign ourselves to the hugely depressing assumption that thereâ€™s simply no way to make honest and intelligent discourse engaging and entertaining to a wider audience?</p>
<p>I think itâ€™s wrong to assume that, for example, a debate over the merits of interventionism vs. non-interventionism must be overly stuffy and dryly academic.  One just need keep in mind that the listening audience consists of regular people who can best process new ideas in terms of metaphors and analogies.  Granted, some intellectuals have severe difficulties communicating to laypeople, but some donâ€™t.  I for one remember a sense of giddy excitement when I was first exposed to ideas that caused me to question the validity of the two-dimensional partisan divide, compelling me to think in terms of concepts and values, rather than the superficial grab-bag political position staking I had thus far accepted at face-value.  I was very entertained and invigorated by the feeling that I was learning how the world really worked.  Most people are.</p>
<p>To illustrate what Iâ€™m talking about, The Bill Maher show comes the closest to approaching what Iâ€™d consider an intellectually elevated infotainment program in practice.  For the most part, Real Time with Bill Maher is an exercise in how to waste its own potential, but on the rare occasions its good, itâ€™s really good and very entertaining.  He invited a diverse mix of intelligent people to discuss issues of weight (among other things) which at times acheived an honest airing of real ideas, real perspectives and real emotions that, however brief, enraptured the audience completely.</p>
<p> If you subtracted the obnoxious egotism, bad humor and pandering to celebrities, it might have led the way in cementing a successful formula for expansion into commercial and basic cable television.  More importantly, a successful show of that nature would set a precedent and invite imitators, at some point permeating the collective consciousness to compete with pundit shows and opinion â€œjournalismâ€ as a popular vehicle for political and social knowledge.</p>
<p>Are you telling me that this is impossible?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple of mutually reinforcing factors that prevent my hit show from taking over the airwaves in the future.  First, as you guess, it has to do with different professional choices and career tracks, but I think there is also something of a temperamental difference.  (I am not exactly the best or smoothest communicator when I am speaking, so that would hinder things considerably.)  Even without that, though, the media of mass communication are not always very well suited to discussing an understanding of how ordered liberty depends upon a well-ordered polity created through the right ordering of souls through the practice of virtue and restraint.  The nature of the medium limits what can be said, it rewards oversimplification, and there are incentives for appealing to excessive or disordered desire (ad marketing depends on this).    

A conservatism of place and virtue, as I have sometimes called it, would have to tell people that they cannot have everything they want and should not want many of the things they desire, and this makes not only for poor entertainment but also a good way to get people to switch to another channel.  One reason why Limbaugh and his imitators succeed as much as they have is that they flatter and applaud their audiences and locate the causes of all of the problems elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of mutually reinforcing factors that prevent my hit show from taking over the airwaves in the future.  First, as you guess, it has to do with different professional choices and career tracks, but I think there is also something of a temperamental difference.  (I am not exactly the best or smoothest communicator when I am speaking, so that would hinder things considerably.)  Even without that, though, the media of mass communication are not always very well suited to discussing an understanding of how ordered liberty depends upon a well-ordered polity created through the right ordering of souls through the practice of virtue and restraint.  The nature of the medium limits what can be said, it rewards oversimplification, and there are incentives for appealing to excessive or disordered desire (ad marketing depends on this).    </p>
<p>A conservatism of place and virtue, as I have sometimes called it, would have to tell people that they cannot have everything they want and should not want many of the things they desire, and this makes not only for poor entertainment but also a good way to get people to switch to another channel.  One reason why Limbaugh and his imitators succeed as much as they have is that they flatter and applaud their audiences and locate the causes of all of the problems elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: JBraunstein</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12705</link>
		<dc:creator>JBraunstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a somwhat related point, and in response to dphenreckson, I thinks its an interesting and sad phenomenon that those who know what freedom actually means lack a mainstream platform, while the newspeakers, opportunists and distorters of language seem to monopolize mass media.  Why is this so?  Is there really a high market demand for vapid bull****; a marketplace in which &quot;the Daniel Larison Show&quot; for example, would be unable to maintain an audience, flounder and fail, or does it have more to do with the career choices and personal ambitions of a Rush Limbaugh vs. a Daniel Larison?

Do ordinary, marginally politically aware people really want to be condescended to, or is it just that honest and intelligent people with good ideas just aren&#039;t inclined to persue a career in mass media ,or simply can&#039;t make themselves entertaining?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a somwhat related point, and in response to dphenreckson, I thinks its an interesting and sad phenomenon that those who know what freedom actually means lack a mainstream platform, while the newspeakers, opportunists and distorters of language seem to monopolize mass media.  Why is this so?  Is there really a high market demand for vapid bull****; a marketplace in which &#8220;the Daniel Larison Show&#8221; for example, would be unable to maintain an audience, flounder and fail, or does it have more to do with the career choices and personal ambitions of a Rush Limbaugh vs. a Daniel Larison?</p>
<p>Do ordinary, marginally politically aware people really want to be condescended to, or is it just that honest and intelligent people with good ideas just aren&#8217;t inclined to persue a career in mass media ,or simply can&#8217;t make themselves entertaining?</p>
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		<title>By: dphenreckson</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12700</link>
		<dc:creator>dphenreckson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, 

I really enjoyed this post. &quot;Freedom&quot; seems to have undergone some perverse conversion or soul-transplant in certain right-wing circles. It seems true, well-ordered, freedom would consider more than our immediate desires, and think about the mutual benefit of our neighbor and our stewardship of natural resources, 

Then again, what do we really expect from Mr. L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, </p>
<p>I really enjoyed this post. &#8220;Freedom&#8221; seems to have undergone some perverse conversion or soul-transplant in certain right-wing circles. It seems true, well-ordered, freedom would consider more than our immediate desires, and think about the mutual benefit of our neighbor and our stewardship of natural resources, </p>
<p>Then again, what do we really expect from Mr. L.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/07/29/consumer-welfare/comment-page-1/#comment-12696</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That the self-styled voice of modern conservatism is basically endorsing market-distorting subsidies undertaken by an ostensibly Communist regime in order to keep itself in power is as good as reminder as any why I am no longer a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That the self-styled voice of modern conservatism is basically endorsing market-distorting subsidies undertaken by an ostensibly Communist regime in order to keep itself in power is as good as reminder as any why I am no longer a Republican.</p>
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