Comments on: Political Eating

By: James_Nostack

James_Nostack — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:24:13 +0000

Okay, i wrote a comment that appears to have been eaten (no pun intended).

Main points:

1. Schwenker’s article is very good.

2. Food is a conservative issue, but it’s also a liberal (or at least, a Far-Left) one (not that anyone denies this). Community-building, and localism, is a shared value among thoughtful people of either political tribe. Re-building communities is yet another area where there’s a lot of common ground.

3. The remark that people seem unable to recognize genuinely political issues–i.e., those matters which connect the individual to the world–echoes Christopher Hayes’s post here: http://www.chrishayes.org/articles/decision-makers/

It seems politics is perceived as little more than distributing tax cuts, and Supporting the Troops.

4. A very catchy web-game makes many of the same points as Schwenker’s article.

By: James_Nostack

James_Nostack — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:17:32 +0000

So, as a Lefty kind of guy, I completely agree with the thrust of Schwenker's article, though I would emphasize that "political eating" is by no means UNIQUELY conservative. (A point you weren't trying to make, of course - but if I limited myself to the points you were making, all of my comments would be, "Quite so!") Most of the Far Left has been devoted to various food/ecology/communitarian issues for quite a while now, and I think this is another area where thoughtful people on both sides can make common cause. And perhaps this area is likely to be less a marriage of convenience than opposition to wire-tapping or the occupation, since the ideals of building a functioning local community go to more timeless human needs. The broader point that people seem to be incapable of recognizing genuinely political issues echoes Christopher Hayes. People now seem to regard "politics" as little more than posturing over who will deliver the next tax cut, and who is insufficiently "American" in their Respect for The Troops. This in itself is a terrible denunciation of our culture. PS. A catchy video game making many of the same institutional points as Schwenker's article, where you try to optimize profits at McDonald's.

By: tedschan

tedschan — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:31:54 +0000

I haven’t seen the ad–Paris Hilton and Britney Spears? Two celebrities who have the reputation for being airheads. Now if the McCain campaign were to put a Latina/Asian/or just African-American female celebrity, what would the reaction have been? Wouldn’t they still be accused of some sort of racism? And what minority celebrities of their generation have the same sort of reputation regarding the lack of depth? There are perhaps a few, but none with that sort of reputation like the two. They could have included Lindsay Lohan, but then perhaps would be overkill, and the campaign would be accused of bashing ‘young Hollywood’.

Nonetheless, they probably should have avoided making the ad in the first place.

By: mbtogut

mbtogut — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:50:52 +0000

Oops–this was my first comment here and I apparently haven’t figured out your system. I obviously meant to comment on the post that preceded this one.

I didn’t mean to imply that you support McCain. Instead, it’s clear that the McCain camp picked up on a single comment by Obama (that he did not look like the other presidents on our currency) to accuse him of playing the race card. It’s typical of the Rovian tactics that McCain has adopted to win this race–accuse your opponent of doing something that you’re actually doing. McCain’s people obviously could have chosen from a wide range of empty-headed celebrities, male and female, black and white. It was no accident they picked two young blondes. I think Marshall is exactly right about that:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/mccain_accusing_obama_of_playi.php

That McCain is now exhibiting a level of false outrage about Obama playing the race-card that is out of all proportion to anything Obama said is part of the cynical game Rove has perfected to play up the divisions in American culture-race being one of them. More disturbing is that the mainstream press haven’t figured out the game by now, and that they’re still licking McCain boots despite the fact that he’s reversed himself on almost every position he ever held and has embraced the lowest of political roads.

By: Daniel Larison

Daniel Larison — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:34:36 +0000

Okay, this comment has nothing to do with this post and I don’t support McCain, but I’ll respond anyway. The complete lack of evidence that McCain is “trying to exploit racism” seems to be a rather telling problem with your position. Saying “of course” he’s doing something for which there seems to be no evidence is not very persuasive. Are there McCain supporters who are doing the things his campaign is being accused of? Possibly, but we would need to be specific about who we’re talking about. No doubt the GOP is morally and intellectually bankrupt, and you have stumbled on their real tactic, which is to deny that their opponents are good Americanists and Americans, and this is the line of attack McCain’s campaign is using. But that really isn’t race-baiting or exploiting racism.

By: mbtogut

mbtogut — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:27:18 +0000

Of course the McCain campaign is trying to exploit racism, just as it’s trying to exploit the all the other memes teh Republicans have used against liberals since the Reagan era. The argument can be boiled down to a sentence: “Democrats are anti-American, intellectual, unpatriotic, free-spending libertines who will tax you to give away the country to minorities. At this point, after eight failed years of Bushism, it’s all they have left. They’re morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Democrats, for the most part, aren’t much better, but please don’t fall into the Rovian game of accusing your opponent of the sins (in this case, race-baiting) you commit.