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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;s Not Change, That&#8217;s More Of The Same</title>
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		<title>By: The Real Obama &#171; Upturned Earth &#124;&#124; John Schwenkler</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/07/thats-not-change-thats-more-of-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-15062</link>
		<dc:creator>The Real Obama &#171; Upturned Earth &#124;&#124; John Schwenkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Or as Larison puts it: &#8230; Obama is an aspiring member of the establishment, and Lizzaâ€™s story is filled with the accounts of the once-upon-a-time patrons and backers of Obama whom he left behind (at least as they see it) as he ascended ever higher. &#8230; This is the real reason why trying to portray him as the terroristâ€™s pal or as a raging anti-American black nationalist (and, again, I have to stress that it is the anti-Americanism of Ayers and Wright that agitates the people who obsess about them) is so profoundly stupid. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Or as Larison puts it: &#8230; Obama is an aspiring member of the establishment, and Lizzaâ€™s story is filled with the accounts of the once-upon-a-time patrons and backers of Obama whom he left behind (at least as they see it) as he ascended ever higher. &#8230; This is the real reason why trying to portray him as the terroristâ€™s pal or as a raging anti-American black nationalist (and, again, I have to stress that it is the anti-Americanism of Ayers and Wright that agitates the people who obsess about them) is so profoundly stupid. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said this before, and you seem to ignore it, but Obama represents himself not as a radical change agent, but as a someone who is trying to undo a radical change agent - meaning the Rove/Bush Republican agenda. In that sense, Obama&#039;s idea of change is not a break from normal politics, but a &lt;i&gt;return&lt;/i&gt; to normal politics, after a period in which our politics has been subverted and degraded by a perverse group of politicians. So you are right, in a sense, that Obama is an agent of the status quo. It&#039;s just that the status quo he is an agent of is an older, more conservative, more traditional status quo, not the status quo of recent history. (And by &quot;conservative&quot;, I don&#039;t mean the politics of that name, but the safer, more predictable world of old time FDR liberalism, JFK foreign policy and can-do economics, Kissingerian diplomacy, and not the mad-world of pre-emptive war, extraordinary rendition, and deficits-don&#039;t-matter spending. What Obama is selling as &quot;change&quot; is a return to sanity and stability, which is an honest sales pitch. He&#039;s as far from a Bolshevik as one could be, which is why the Ayers/socialism angle just doesn&#039;t wash. If anything, he&#039;s a reactionary, in the way that Reagan was, trying not so much to change things by doing something radically new, but to change things by undoing radical changes others have embarked upon that led to very bad results - from the other side of the aisle, of course. Much of your put-down of Obama is based on the notion that he&#039;s a fraud because his idea of &quot;change&quot; isn&#039;t what you think change ought to be - some kind of radical transformation. Instead, he&#039;s advocating a change &lt;i&gt;back&lt;/i&gt; to a safer standard of decency. It&#039;s why he&#039;s perceived as a conservative in some respects - because in some respects he actually is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said this before, and you seem to ignore it, but Obama represents himself not as a radical change agent, but as a someone who is trying to undo a radical change agent &#8211; meaning the Rove/Bush Republican agenda. In that sense, Obama&#8217;s idea of change is not a break from normal politics, but a <i>return</i> to normal politics, after a period in which our politics has been subverted and degraded by a perverse group of politicians. So you are right, in a sense, that Obama is an agent of the status quo. It&#8217;s just that the status quo he is an agent of is an older, more conservative, more traditional status quo, not the status quo of recent history. (And by &#8220;conservative&#8221;, I don&#8217;t mean the politics of that name, but the safer, more predictable world of old time FDR liberalism, JFK foreign policy and can-do economics, Kissingerian diplomacy, and not the mad-world of pre-emptive war, extraordinary rendition, and deficits-don&#8217;t-matter spending. What Obama is selling as &#8220;change&#8221; is a return to sanity and stability, which is an honest sales pitch. He&#8217;s as far from a Bolshevik as one could be, which is why the Ayers/socialism angle just doesn&#8217;t wash. If anything, he&#8217;s a reactionary, in the way that Reagan was, trying not so much to change things by doing something radically new, but to change things by undoing radical changes others have embarked upon that led to very bad results &#8211; from the other side of the aisle, of course. Much of your put-down of Obama is based on the notion that he&#8217;s a fraud because his idea of &#8220;change&#8221; isn&#8217;t what you think change ought to be &#8211; some kind of radical transformation. Instead, he&#8217;s advocating a change <i>back</i> to a safer standard of decency. It&#8217;s why he&#8217;s perceived as a conservative in some respects &#8211; because in some respects he actually is.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/07/thats-not-change-thats-more-of-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-15029</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in that 2nd graf, I meant to say, I also sense that cynicism in myself, pushing me away from anything that &quot;feels good&quot; and back toward a hardline position that&#039;s not going to be adopted and enables me to continue feeling better-than-you and complaining the way I like to. I think we all have a lot of that in us, and it does affect our politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in that 2nd graf, I meant to say, I also sense that cynicism in myself, pushing me away from anything that &#8220;feels good&#8221; and back toward a hardline position that&#8217;s not going to be adopted and enables me to continue feeling better-than-you and complaining the way I like to. I think we all have a lot of that in us, and it does affect our politics.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/07/thats-not-change-thats-more-of-the-same/comment-page-1/#comment-15028</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between voting &quot;present&quot; and simply missing votes altogether? How many votes has McCain missed in his years in the Senate? No one has raised that, to my knowledge.

Regarding &quot;corporate progressivism,&quot; I don&#039;t see him in that vein at all. More like &quot;grassroots centrism&quot; but leaned somewhat left. I mean, this is a guy who wants to EXPAND faith-based initiatives (though after reading Kuo&#039;s excellent book I don&#039;t know if this is such a good idea) and who wants to ease abortion restrictions but also stem the tide of abortions... this may all sound very &quot;pandery&quot; to many of you, but I&#039;ve felt the same tugs in my heart from time to time... the difference is that I don&#039;t detect much cynicism in him--opportunism maybe, but not cynicism--where as McCain is the archetypal cynic and his &quot;straight talk&quot; is impossible to gauge as to its actual straightness.

As for any violence toward the man, I have honestly sat awake at night, wondering when the attempt will come and praying that it will be stopped. He&#039;s going to win... a president (or president-elect) Obama assassinated would tear this country apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between voting &#8220;present&#8221; and simply missing votes altogether? How many votes has McCain missed in his years in the Senate? No one has raised that, to my knowledge.</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;corporate progressivism,&#8221; I don&#8217;t see him in that vein at all. More like &#8220;grassroots centrism&#8221; but leaned somewhat left. I mean, this is a guy who wants to EXPAND faith-based initiatives (though after reading Kuo&#8217;s excellent book I don&#8217;t know if this is such a good idea) and who wants to ease abortion restrictions but also stem the tide of abortions&#8230; this may all sound very &#8220;pandery&#8221; to many of you, but I&#8217;ve felt the same tugs in my heart from time to time&#8230; the difference is that I don&#8217;t detect much cynicism in him&#8211;opportunism maybe, but not cynicism&#8211;where as McCain is the archetypal cynic and his &#8220;straight talk&#8221; is impossible to gauge as to its actual straightness.</p>
<p>As for any violence toward the man, I have honestly sat awake at night, wondering when the attempt will come and praying that it will be stopped. He&#8217;s going to win&#8230; a president (or president-elect) Obama assassinated would tear this country apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama represents corporate progressivism. He definitely existed in a milieu where loudmouthed nationalist preachers and ex-Weathermen were routinely tolerated. &quot;No enemies to the left,&quot; and all that. His goals are more radical than midnight basketball, for instance, but possibly not much more so. He&#039;s no Weatherman, and no black nationalist (at least, not more so than most blacks are in their hearts from time to time).

His phlegmatic quality (&quot;Don&#039;t just do something, sit there&quot;, voting &quot;present&quot; and with the consensus) may allow us to avoid some military adventures that McCain would dive into. If so, that&#039;s a plus.

Palin&#039;s right. Taking temperament into account, McCain-Palin really are more mavericks than Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama represents corporate progressivism. He definitely existed in a milieu where loudmouthed nationalist preachers and ex-Weathermen were routinely tolerated. &#8220;No enemies to the left,&#8221; and all that. His goals are more radical than midnight basketball, for instance, but possibly not much more so. He&#8217;s no Weatherman, and no black nationalist (at least, not more so than most blacks are in their hearts from time to time).</p>
<p>His phlegmatic quality (&#8221;Don&#8217;t just do something, sit there&#8221;, voting &#8220;present&#8221; and with the consensus) may allow us to avoid some military adventures that McCain would dive into. If so, that&#8217;s a plus.</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s right. Taking temperament into account, McCain-Palin really are more mavericks than Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and hope against hope that sanity prevails&quot;

If hope in the wisdom and decency of what passes for &quot;conservatives&quot; these days was a stock, I&#039;d be shorting it right about now.   

I think we&#039;re going to get a chance to revisit the whole mid-90&#039;s black helicopter militia nonsense all over again, this time with an added dose of race-hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and hope against hope that sanity prevails&#8221;</p>
<p>If hope in the wisdom and decency of what passes for &#8220;conservatives&#8221; these days was a stock, I&#8217;d be shorting it right about now.   </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re going to get a chance to revisit the whole mid-90&#8217;s black helicopter militia nonsense all over again, this time with an added dose of race-hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Adam, I heartily agree with you, but really at this point all we can do is gape with horror and hope against hope that sanity prevails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Adam, I heartily agree with you, but really at this point all we can do is gape with horror and hope against hope that sanity prevails.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they MUST at this point realize that they are playing with fire - a fire that could end up burning their candidate, their party, and their own political and professional futures.&quot;

And what if they come to the conclusion that their candidate has been scorched, their party reduced to ashes, and they still want to play with matches?   Angry, embittered partisans who believe that the highest office in the land is about to be taken over by some foreign agent provocateur?   I&#039;m less worried about the professional political operatives surrounding the campaign itself than about those who respond to the sort of dog-whistle described above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they MUST at this point realize that they are playing with fire &#8211; a fire that could end up burning their candidate, their party, and their own political and professional futures.&#8221;</p>
<p>And what if they come to the conclusion that their candidate has been scorched, their party reduced to ashes, and they still want to play with matches?   Angry, embittered partisans who believe that the highest office in the land is about to be taken over by some foreign agent provocateur?   I&#8217;m less worried about the professional political operatives surrounding the campaign itself than about those who respond to the sort of dog-whistle described above.</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the McCain campaign we are talking about. When has foresight or strategy ever  been part of the campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the McCain campaign we are talking about. When has foresight or strategy ever  been part of the campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: rawshark</title>
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		<dc:creator>rawshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Obamaâ€™s support for it was notable most of all because he pretended that he would oppose it. I bring it up here as evidence of how readily he abandons promises to his constituents and concedes important points to avoid confrontation with power&#039;

That is one way of looking at it. Another is that he&#039;s running for president, he isn&#039;t yet president. If he becomes president and does nothing about FISA or avoids a confrontation with power then I&#039;m right there with you. Until then I can sort of see it as a man avoiding the trap doors laid in front of him by an opposition that believes winning elections matters most of all. The right probably had an ad ready to blast him for opposing a law that would let daddy gov&#039;t protect us all from big bad Osama. It&#039;s how they play. Another tactic was saying Congress should return from recess to vote on drilling close to shore. The hope was that McCain would go along with it while Obama opposes what good God fearing Americans know is a common sense solution to our gas crisis. Don&#039;t hate the player, hate the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Obamaâ€™s support for it was notable most of all because he pretended that he would oppose it. I bring it up here as evidence of how readily he abandons promises to his constituents and concedes important points to avoid confrontation with power&#8217;</p>
<p>That is one way of looking at it. Another is that he&#8217;s running for president, he isn&#8217;t yet president. If he becomes president and does nothing about FISA or avoids a confrontation with power then I&#8217;m right there with you. Until then I can sort of see it as a man avoiding the trap doors laid in front of him by an opposition that believes winning elections matters most of all. The right probably had an ad ready to blast him for opposing a law that would let daddy gov&#8217;t protect us all from big bad Osama. It&#8217;s how they play. Another tactic was saying Congress should return from recess to vote on drilling close to shore. The hope was that McCain would go along with it while Obama opposes what good God fearing Americans know is a common sense solution to our gas crisis. Don&#8217;t hate the player, hate the game.</p>
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		<title>By: LMaggitti</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMaggitti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R. Justin,

I had the very report in mind when I wrote my comment, as well as yesterday&#039;s only slightly less outrageous rallies. Perhaps I should have omitted the term &quot;virtual.&quot;

I do wonder what the response of the McCain camp will be to those horrible but predictable crowd reactions. I don&#039;t think for a minute that they will be swayed by any concerns aside from the narrow utilitarian interests of their candidate, but they MUST at this point realize that they are playing with fire - a fire that could end up burning their candidate, their party, and their own political and professional futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R. Justin,</p>
<p>I had the very report in mind when I wrote my comment, as well as yesterday&#8217;s only slightly less outrageous rallies. Perhaps I should have omitted the term &#8220;virtual.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do wonder what the response of the McCain camp will be to those horrible but predictable crowd reactions. I don&#8217;t think for a minute that they will be swayed by any concerns aside from the narrow utilitarian interests of their candidate, but they MUST at this point realize that they are playing with fire &#8211; a fire that could end up burning their candidate, their party, and their own political and professional futures.</p>
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		<title>By: nyx</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was not surprised at Obama&#039;s capitulation on the FISA bill. Obama is a cultural progressive but that does not mean he is  a capital P progressive on every issue. He needed to go left hard because of Hillary Clinton&#039;s candidacy but he has a more pragmatic and consensus minded sensibility. He is running for a more efficient government, not for changing all establishmentarian views. 

Palin needs to be careful not to demagogue further  (catch the &quot;kill him&quot; reference made by an anonymous audience member) because if some nutjob does something to Obama, she would have committed political suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was not surprised at Obama&#8217;s capitulation on the FISA bill. Obama is a cultural progressive but that does not mean he is  a capital P progressive on every issue. He needed to go left hard because of Hillary Clinton&#8217;s candidacy but he has a more pragmatic and consensus minded sensibility. He is running for a more efficient government, not for changing all establishmentarian views. </p>
<p>Palin needs to be careful not to demagogue further  (catch the &#8220;kill him&#8221; reference made by an anonymous audience member) because if some nutjob does something to Obama, she would have committed political suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we get on the high ground when we also attacked his vote to reauthorize the PATRIOT Act?  Or does that not matter, either?  To be clear about that, I was writing letters against the original passage of the PATRIOT Act before I had ever heard of Obama.

There were two other problems with the &quot;compromise&quot; legislation--not holding anyone accountable for illegal acts conducted by the administration and telecoms, and providing  for extensive warrantless wiretapping powers under very limited oversight.  The &quot;compromise&quot; was not much more than a slightly less egregious form of the so-called Protect America Act, and I&#039;m not sure why anyone would want to defend any pol who supported such legislation.  Obama&#039;s support for it was notable most of all because he pretended that he would oppose it.  I bring it up here as evidence of how readily he abandons promises to his constituents and concedes important points to avoid confrontation with power.  That&#039;s nothing new, either, but I don&#039;t have to pretend that he&#039;s anything he isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get on the high ground when we also attacked his vote to reauthorize the PATRIOT Act?  Or does that not matter, either?  To be clear about that, I was writing letters against the original passage of the PATRIOT Act before I had ever heard of Obama.</p>
<p>There were two other problems with the &#8220;compromise&#8221; legislation&#8211;not holding anyone accountable for illegal acts conducted by the administration and telecoms, and providing  for extensive warrantless wiretapping powers under very limited oversight.  The &#8220;compromise&#8221; was not much more than a slightly less egregious form of the so-called Protect America Act, and I&#8217;m not sure why anyone would want to defend any pol who supported such legislation.  Obama&#8217;s support for it was notable most of all because he pretended that he would oppose it.  I bring it up here as evidence of how readily he abandons promises to his constituents and concedes important points to avoid confrontation with power.  That&#8217;s nothing new, either, but I don&#8217;t have to pretend that he&#8217;s anything he isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Turbulence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turbulence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It certainly was silly to think that something as trivial as constitutional protections would trump electoral considerations.&lt;/i&gt;

I think Obama was wrong to vote for the FISA compromise, but let&#039;s be clear: the FISA court has failed at protecting our constitutional rights. Over the course of decades, the court approved EVERY SINGLE government request. What kind of oversight can you possibly provide if you never say no? Does anyone here think that the federal government never once asked the FISA court to approve something improper over the course of decades? Is anyone that naive?

The FISA court was always a questionable idea; after Nixon&#039;s abuses, it made sense for us to try the experiment and see if it could work, but we&#039;ve known since the Clinton years that as an institution, the court cannot work. How can any court act impartially when it only hears one side and when its decisions are secret and not subject to review? How can any institution remain faithful to the constitution when it never has to face scrutiny?

So yes, Obama&#039;s decision on FISA was bad, but let&#039;s not pretend that it actually matters. I have been following arguments about FISA for the last decade and a lot of the hand wringing over Obama&#039;s FISA call I&#039;ve seen seems to come from people who never gave a thought to FISA before it could be used to criticize Obama. Which is fine, but if you&#039;re going to do that, you don&#039;t get to claim the high ground and act sanctimonious about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It certainly was silly to think that something as trivial as constitutional protections would trump electoral considerations.</i></p>
<p>I think Obama was wrong to vote for the FISA compromise, but let&#8217;s be clear: the FISA court has failed at protecting our constitutional rights. Over the course of decades, the court approved EVERY SINGLE government request. What kind of oversight can you possibly provide if you never say no? Does anyone here think that the federal government never once asked the FISA court to approve something improper over the course of decades? Is anyone that naive?</p>
<p>The FISA court was always a questionable idea; after Nixon&#8217;s abuses, it made sense for us to try the experiment and see if it could work, but we&#8217;ve known since the Clinton years that as an institution, the court cannot work. How can any court act impartially when it only hears one side and when its decisions are secret and not subject to review? How can any institution remain faithful to the constitution when it never has to face scrutiny?</p>
<p>So yes, Obama&#8217;s decision on FISA was bad, but let&#8217;s not pretend that it actually matters. I have been following arguments about FISA for the last decade and a lot of the hand wringing over Obama&#8217;s FISA call I&#8217;ve seen seems to come from people who never gave a thought to FISA before it could be used to criticize Obama. Which is fine, but if you&#8217;re going to do that, you don&#8217;t get to claim the high ground and act sanctimonious about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, he should have filibustered it anyway, IMO.  Unfortunately, he decided that it was a good-enough compromise, as the revised bill did add some protections.  So there you go, preserving the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, he should have filibustered it anyway, IMO.  Unfortunately, he decided that it was a good-enough compromise, as the revised bill did add some protections.  So there you go, preserving the status quo.</p>
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