Not To Worry
Posted on October 26th, 2008
by Daniel Larison |
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As of this writing, Barack Obama is not polling consistently above 50 percent in a number of electoral-vote-rich swing states, including Ohio and Florida. He should be worried. ~Bill Greener
Yes, he is, and no, he shouldn’t. There are two problems with Greener’s argument. First, it doesn’t matter whether Obama polls above 50% in Florida and Ohio, because he has been consistently polling above 50% in Iowa, Colorado and New Mexico. With these states and all of the Kerry states, where he leads comfortably, Obama can and will win even if he loses all the other toss-ups (and it is unlikely that he’s going to lose Virginia or Nevada). McCain’s grand prize of Pennsylvania seems to be out of reach, as Obama’s average lead in the state is 11 points. At present, we are seeing Florida and Ohio trend towards Obama, but even if they do not flip to the Democrats Obama can win. As it is, Obama’s RCP average in Ohio is at 49.9, and in Florida it is 47.8. It’s conceivable that McCain can rally to hold these two states, but that will almost certainly have no effect on the ultimate outcome. At this point the GOP is in the position of an outmatched team that is just playing for pride against a far superior opponent that has the game wrapped up; the best that they can hope for is to narrow the margin of victory and put in a respectable final effort.
The other, related problem with Greener’s argument is that the undecided voters don’t matter, either, because Obama is far enough ahead in enough states that all undecided voters could break for McCain (who also technically represents the incumbent in this scenario, not the challenger) and still not put him over the top. The problems with Greener’s argument are plain to me because I was arguing much the same thing for much of this year, and it has become clear that I did not take into account the possibility that Obama would poach enough voters from the Bush coalition to make what probably are McCain-friendly undecided voters more or less irrelevant to the outcome. Even if you accept that undecided voters are more likely to break for McCain, which sounds plausible but may not be correct, there is no realistic scenario given the information we have right now in which they will propel McCain to victory.
Greener then goes on to make somewhat strained claims about 2006 elections that purportedly show the “undecided” voter’s bias against black candidates. It seems to me that there is a combination of factors at work in these cases. Take the Ohio governor’s race. Strickland outperformed his polling, and Blackwell underperformed his, or more precisely polls that did not force respondents to declare which way they were leaning underestimated Strickland’s support and overestimated Blackwell’s. But what Greener actually manages to show is that undecideds in Ohio and Maryland broke for the candidate representing the challenger party and against representatives of the incumbent party: late-deciding voters went against the known quantity and chose the new face, which would seem to undermine Greener’s larger argument.
It is instructive to compare the 2006 Ohio Senate race’s polling to the final result to see how much greater Sherrod Brown’s final result was than pre-election polling. What I think you will find is that Sherrod Brown outperformed his polling as much as, if not more than, Strickland. One reason for this is probably stronger Democratic and Democratic-voting independent turnout in the ‘06 elections. DeWine had some advantage as an incumbent Senator despite low approval ratings, while Blackwell was running in an open election as a member of a deeply unpopular state administration. So Blackwell was part of and therefore associated with the Taft administration, even though he was personally not implicated in any of the corruption tainting the governor, and he was running against a popular economic populist who was able to make inroads in southeastern Ohio because of his roots in that part of the state.
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Taking the Bradley Effect into account, does this really hold true? What if you can more or less subtract 6 points from Obama in every tossup state, and then add in undecideds. What then?
Indya -
I would never speak for Daniel, he who knows an astonishing amount, but:
1) Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com), who knows an awful lot about polling, makes a compelling case that the Bradley effect is long gone.
2) Why only subtract six points in the tossups, rather than everywhere? At any rate, a six point subtraction across the board when applied to e.g. the latest RCP averages still gives Obama a fairly clear victory – all the Kerry states plus IA, NM, CO, VA, OH (barely – RCP has it Obama 6.1%).
then add in undecideds
Add in undecideds how? All breaking McCain? 2:1 McCain?
If support strips evenly across the country, it looks like McCain has to get at least to the point where he gets VA back. I’m not sure there are enough “Real Virginians” to do that.
if we look to the Truman-Dewey race of 1948, it becomes clear that McCain is offering neither the underdog’s élan nor any positive reason to vote for him.
Palin has vitality, like her or not, but McCain is simply sad.
Assuming the third parties will collectively take 3-4% of the vote, Obama only has to poll 44-45% to win.
And, Baysian is correct, Silver has found that even the former Bradley campaign says that they knew (via internal polling) they were running 50/50 in that campaign and were worried that media polls showing them with big leads would lead to complacency among their supporters.
The “Bradley effect is merely the “soccer mom” meme of this election. It allows us to speculate on how racist the swing voters are without having to really come out and say it. There’s always some tortured meme intended to encapsulate the swing voter’s mentality.
Nate Silver took Greener apart this morning:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/bradley-effect-or-elephant-effect.html
Silver echoes many of your points, but really takes Greener to task on his polling analysis.
Out, out damned italics, I say! This is not Obsidian Wings!