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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: Paleo Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008/10/27/setting-up-for-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-16246</link>
		<dc:creator>Paleo Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree here. If the Republican Party takes the stance of the &quot;talkers&quot; like Rush, the Republican Party will go the way of he Whig Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree here. If the Republican Party takes the stance of the &#8220;talkers&#8221; like Rush, the Republican Party will go the way of he Whig Party.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. I can imagine the image that must exist in baseworld&#039;s collective imagination....Dreher and all of the other excommunicates sitting around a food co-op, smoking weed, wearing peace symbols and listening to an old copy of Workingman&#039;s Dead while they discuss the Marxist dialectic.

As to limited executive power, I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s been discussed much since FDR. Maybe the  thought of Obama wielding the writ will restore the issue to some relevance, but as the current administration has lost so much moral authority on the topic I&#039;m not sure how persuasive the Party could be. In my dreams Obama would at least seek the repeal of the Patriot Act, but I put the odds of that happening at -100.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I can imagine the image that must exist in baseworld&#8217;s collective imagination&#8230;.Dreher and all of the other excommunicates sitting around a food co-op, smoking weed, wearing peace symbols and listening to an old copy of Workingman&#8217;s Dead while they discuss the Marxist dialectic.</p>
<p>As to limited executive power, I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s been discussed much since FDR. Maybe the  thought of Obama wielding the writ will restore the issue to some relevance, but as the current administration has lost so much moral authority on the topic I&#8217;m not sure how persuasive the Party could be. In my dreams Obama would at least seek the repeal of the Patriot Act, but I put the odds of that happening at -100.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One heresy that I wish the Republicans/Conservatives would embrace is the idea of limited Executive power.&lt;/i&gt;

Heck I wish that was a bipartisan embrace.</description>
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<p>Heck I wish that was a bipartisan embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: James_Nostack</title>
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		<dc:creator>James_Nostack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One heresy that I wish the Republicans/Conservatives would embrace is the idea of limited Executive power.</description>
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		<title>By: bayesian</title>
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		<dc:creator>bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jetan -

The first and last heresies (as Indya points out in the case of the third) suffer from the problem that the majority of the people visibly advocating those heresies happen to be on the left.  That makes them ipso facto unacceptable, since in any argument the Democrats/left are always wrong (also, &quot;the sword speaks louder and stronger at any given moment&quot;).  In honor of our host, I mention the original Iconoclasm, which, regardless of the &quot;theology&quot; behind it, was reminiscent of Islam and thus Obviously Wrong.  Again, I am not taking a position either way on Iconoclasm in Christianity, lest Daniel exile me to the Crimea (for Daniel - I don&#039;t actually know if any Iconoclasts or Iconodules were actually exiled to Crimea, but it seems a plausible punishment).

The problem with the second heresy is that you have mistated Ross and Reihan&#039;s position - I submit that a better statement which makes the heresy clear is &quot;maybe &lt;i&gt;the [Federal] Government&lt;/i&gt; should do something for the middle classâ€.  Since Government is Teh Problem, the heresy is obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jetan -</p>
<p>The first and last heresies (as Indya points out in the case of the third) suffer from the problem that the majority of the people visibly advocating those heresies happen to be on the left.  That makes them ipso facto unacceptable, since in any argument the Democrats/left are always wrong (also, &#8220;the sword speaks louder and stronger at any given moment&#8221;).  In honor of our host, I mention the original Iconoclasm, which, regardless of the &#8220;theology&#8221; behind it, was reminiscent of Islam and thus Obviously Wrong.  Again, I am not taking a position either way on Iconoclasm in Christianity, lest Daniel exile me to the Crimea (for Daniel &#8211; I don&#8217;t actually know if any Iconoclasts or Iconodules were actually exiled to Crimea, but it seems a plausible punishment).</p>
<p>The problem with the second heresy is that you have mistated Ross and Reihan&#8217;s position &#8211; I submit that a better statement which makes the heresy clear is &#8220;maybe <i>the [Federal] Government</i> should do something for the middle classâ€.  Since Government is Teh Problem, the heresy is obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the pro-life stance, it&#039;s the gateway drug to all the GOP&#039;s wackiness. It&#039;s what defines Rush Limbaugh&#039;s conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the pro-life stance, it&#8217;s the gateway drug to all the GOP&#8217;s wackiness. It&#8217;s what defines Rush Limbaugh&#8217;s conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: Indya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is that Dreher&#039;s sustainable lifestyle is seen as a leftist, postmodern hippie thing that is squarely in the vein of liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is that Dreher&#8217;s sustainable lifestyle is seen as a leftist, postmodern hippie thing that is squarely in the vein of liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freire defines the true tenets of conservatism as a pro life stance, a commitment to a strong national defense and a belief in limited government. Well, I guess we can give them the pro-life part, but I believe the approach of the last seven years has seriously weakened the national defense and the limited government part is just funny.

If I had to sum up the pundit heresies that the so-called mainstream republicans object to it wou be as follows: Larison - &quot;Let&#039;s invade fewer countries&quot;; Douthat - &quot;Maybe we should do something for the middle class&quot;; Dreher - &quot;How about a more sustainable lifestyle?&quot;

These all sound like pretty common-sense notions to me. I bet they would be good politics too. I don&#039;t for the life of me understand the resistance to the goals themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freire defines the true tenets of conservatism as a pro life stance, a commitment to a strong national defense and a belief in limited government. Well, I guess we can give them the pro-life part, but I believe the approach of the last seven years has seriously weakened the national defense and the limited government part is just funny.</p>
<p>If I had to sum up the pundit heresies that the so-called mainstream republicans object to it wou be as follows: Larison &#8211; &#8220;Let&#8217;s invade fewer countries&#8221;; Douthat &#8211; &#8220;Maybe we should do something for the middle class&#8221;; Dreher &#8211; &#8220;How about a more sustainable lifestyle?&#8221;</p>
<p>These all sound like pretty common-sense notions to me. I bet they would be good politics too. I don&#8217;t for the life of me understand the resistance to the goals themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam01</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is not a coincidence that the two candidates in the primaries who represented or just seemed to represent significant breaks with party orthodoxy on these two things, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, were treated with the greatest opposition and scorn by party leaders and movement activists, while the one genuine protectionist in the primaries, Duncan Hunter, was simply ignored.&quot;

One can imagine a very fruitful &quot;fusionism&quot; on the right between Paul&#039;s non-interventionism, Hunter&#039;s protectionism, and a much more fleshed out Huckabee economic populism, but those (like Limbaugh) who want to party like it is 1980 all over again are going to have to lead the party to a few consecutive defeats for the ground to be fertile for that sort of wide-spread policy re-thinking.  The reformists may have the head start, but the purists are as we speak very successfully reading the reformists out of polite company.  The reformists are also crippled by the sheer incompatibility (you and David Brooks probably don&#039;t make the beginnings of much at all) of dissident conservatives, broadly defined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is not a coincidence that the two candidates in the primaries who represented or just seemed to represent significant breaks with party orthodoxy on these two things, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, were treated with the greatest opposition and scorn by party leaders and movement activists, while the one genuine protectionist in the primaries, Duncan Hunter, was simply ignored.&#8221;</p>
<p>One can imagine a very fruitful &#8220;fusionism&#8221; on the right between Paul&#8217;s non-interventionism, Hunter&#8217;s protectionism, and a much more fleshed out Huckabee economic populism, but those (like Limbaugh) who want to party like it is 1980 all over again are going to have to lead the party to a few consecutive defeats for the ground to be fertile for that sort of wide-spread policy re-thinking.  The reformists may have the head start, but the purists are as we speak very successfully reading the reformists out of polite company.  The reformists are also crippled by the sheer incompatibility (you and David Brooks probably don&#8217;t make the beginnings of much at all) of dissident conservatives, broadly defined.</p>
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