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	<description>n. the principle of good order&#60;br /&#62;&#60;br /&#62; "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsman</description>
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		<title>By: Gordianus</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/03/16/not-so-splendid/comment-page-1/#comment-30920</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill White,  I referred to &quot;Professionals.&quot;  not a Philosopher King.  Of course a king practices no profession.  Professionals in the realm of foreign policy generally go by the name of Diplomat.  There was a time when American foreign policy was left to diplomats to work out, generally in the interests of American import/export interests.  Now that we are a mass democracy, all our little tribes and ideological hobbyists get to interfere.  It seems to me that a country can be a democracy internally while disciplining itself in the field of foreign relations.  Today&#039;s Americans may be incapable of this, but to my mind, it should be a goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill White,  I referred to &#8220;Professionals.&#8221;  not a Philosopher King.  Of course a king practices no profession.  Professionals in the realm of foreign policy generally go by the name of Diplomat.  There was a time when American foreign policy was left to diplomats to work out, generally in the interests of American import/export interests.  Now that we are a mass democracy, all our little tribes and ideological hobbyists get to interfere.  It seems to me that a country can be a democracy internally while disciplining itself in the field of foreign relations.  Today&#8217;s Americans may be incapable of this, but to my mind, it should be a goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gordianus

&lt;i&gt;How much better it would be if we could leave external relations in the hands of professionals. &lt;/i&gt;

Ah, the reign of the philosopher king. Another treasured undergraduate memory. 

For me the phrase &quot;philosopher-king&quot; engenders thoughts of Shakespeare&#039;s quasi-fictional Henry V -- a perfect king who came to power through &quot;force&quot; (Bolingbroke&#039;s usurpation) and &quot;chance&quot; (Falstaff being the unlikely educator of any king, let alone a great king). 

That leads me to Federalist Paper #1 which asks whether good government can be achieved through sober reflection rather than &quot;Force&quot; and &quot;Chance&quot;

and that has led us to Bush 43 and Obama 44. 

which may lead us yet again to tyranny.

It is indeed difficult for a democracy to field a rational and nimble foreign policy and yet I see no alternative but to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordianus</p>
<p><i>How much better it would be if we could leave external relations in the hands of professionals. </i></p>
<p>Ah, the reign of the philosopher king. Another treasured undergraduate memory. </p>
<p>For me the phrase &#8220;philosopher-king&#8221; engenders thoughts of Shakespeare&#8217;s quasi-fictional Henry V &#8212; a perfect king who came to power through &#8220;force&#8221; (Bolingbroke&#8217;s usurpation) and &#8220;chance&#8221; (Falstaff being the unlikely educator of any king, let alone a great king). </p>
<p>That leads me to Federalist Paper #1 which asks whether good government can be achieved through sober reflection rather than &#8220;Force&#8221; and &#8220;Chance&#8221;</p>
<p>and that has led us to Bush 43 and Obama 44. </p>
<p>which may lead us yet again to tyranny.</p>
<p>It is indeed difficult for a democracy to field a rational and nimble foreign policy and yet I see no alternative but to try.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordianus</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/03/16/not-so-splendid/comment-page-1/#comment-30897</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill White.  Thucydides would also have recognized the difficulty of fielding a rational and nimble foreign policy by a Democracy.  The emotions and prejudices of the voters are easy handles for various factions to leverage policy makers.  How much better it would be if we could leave external relations in the hands of professionals.  

Perhaps one paleoconservative stance to be considered would be to discourage all private action by Americans in the sphere of foreign relations.  No AIPAC, no Irish Northern Aid, none of it.  Every four years we get to select a President who addresses his view of our vital interests.  Voting up or down on the Presidential candidates is enough participation.   

Another problem with hegemony is that it defuses interests so broadly that critical ones are difficult to distinguish from minor ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill White.  Thucydides would also have recognized the difficulty of fielding a rational and nimble foreign policy by a Democracy.  The emotions and prejudices of the voters are easy handles for various factions to leverage policy makers.  How much better it would be if we could leave external relations in the hands of professionals.  </p>
<p>Perhaps one paleoconservative stance to be considered would be to discourage all private action by Americans in the sphere of foreign relations.  No AIPAC, no Irish Northern Aid, none of it.  Every four years we get to select a President who addresses his view of our vital interests.  Voting up or down on the Presidential candidates is enough participation.   </p>
<p>Another problem with hegemony is that it defuses interests so broadly that critical ones are difficult to distinguish from minor ones.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. White,  I appreciate  your reference to Thucydides. if I had to name one writer who has the most applicability to out current over-reach, he would be the one. I may have said here before that I have always been a little amazed that a classicist such as Victor Davis Hanson could be so familiar with the source material and yet end up drawing exactly the wrong conclusions from it ( he actually sometimes quotes Thucydides in support of whatever harebrained militaristicscheme he is beating the drum for).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. White,  I appreciate  your reference to Thucydides. if I had to name one writer who has the most applicability to out current over-reach, he would be the one. I may have said here before that I have always been a little amazed that a classicist such as Victor Davis Hanson could be so familiar with the source material and yet end up drawing exactly the wrong conclusions from it ( he actually sometimes quotes Thucydides in support of whatever harebrained militaristicscheme he is beating the drum for).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What Massie is describing is the â€œsplendid isolationâ€ school of imperial management, according to which all other powers should either acquiesce in imperial policy or else they are deemed as hostile to one degree or another.&lt;/i&gt;

Long, long ago -- as a U of C undergraduate -- I was assigned to read Thucydides. As were we all.

According to my professor, one of the core lessons from Thucydides was &quot;do not mistreat your allies&quot; and yet it would seem 21st century America is repeating the same mistakes made by those ancient Athenians.

Of course, there is a single word that serves as a linchpin for all of this: hubris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What Massie is describing is the â€œsplendid isolationâ€ school of imperial management, according to which all other powers should either acquiesce in imperial policy or else they are deemed as hostile to one degree or another.</i></p>
<p>Long, long ago &#8212; as a U of C undergraduate &#8212; I was assigned to read Thucydides. As were we all.</p>
<p>According to my professor, one of the core lessons from Thucydides was &#8220;do not mistreat your allies&#8221; and yet it would seem 21st century America is repeating the same mistakes made by those ancient Athenians.</p>
<p>Of course, there is a single word that serves as a linchpin for all of this: hubris.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.  I think Alex wanted to stress the isolation theme rather than the refusal to compromise, which is probably why he chose Sinn Fein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.  I think Alex wanted to stress the isolation theme rather than the refusal to compromise, which is probably why he chose Sinn Fein.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You donâ€™t have to be a fan of Sinn Fein to note that the permanent siege mentality of this strand of American conservatism is much closer to the No Surrender meme of the Unionists, ever on the alert for a Fenian plot or betrayal at Westminster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You donâ€™t have to be a fan of Sinn Fein to note that the permanent siege mentality of this strand of American conservatism is much closer to the No Surrender meme of the Unionists, ever on the alert for a Fenian plot or betrayal at Westminster.</p>
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		<title>By: kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the good hippies may have been saying something like this for years, but if so I missed it. Certainly I missed the reference to Britain&#039;s imperialist history.

I love the formulation!! Here&#039;s hoping &quot;splendid isolation&quot; becomes a buzz-phrase around the intertubes and eventually comes to penetrate the consciousness of the big players. It seems like a phrase with just the right combination of mockery and analytical power to make a difference to the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the good hippies may have been saying something like this for years, but if so I missed it. Certainly I missed the reference to Britain&#8217;s imperialist history.</p>
<p>I love the formulation!! Here&#8217;s hoping &#8220;splendid isolation&#8221; becomes a buzz-phrase around the intertubes and eventually comes to penetrate the consciousness of the big players. It seems like a phrase with just the right combination of mockery and analytical power to make a difference to the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: ronbeas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronbeas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point some of us &quot;dirty hippies&quot; have been trying to make for 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point some of us &#8220;dirty hippies&#8221; have been trying to make for 40 years.</p>
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