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		<title>By: conradg</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/05/28/losing-in-the-long-run/comment-page-1/#comment-32516</link>
		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s absurd to say that if the situation were reversed, meaning there were no white males on the Supreme Court, and a white male said something similar to Sotomayor&#039;s remarks, that he would be condemned for it. Sotomayor &quot;gets away&quot; with these remarks, not because the media is prejudiced or has a double standard, but because there&#039;s never been a Latino woman on the court, so her claim to wisdom from this section of an unrepresented minority does not imply some kind of dominance threat to anyone. We&#039;re not about to see the Supreme Court packed with six more Latino females after Sotomayor. 

If a white male said the same thing, while white males dominated the court, it would be taken as a justification for continuing that dominance. So that wouldn&#039;t be acceptable, unless of course you were simply in favor of one sector of the electorate dominating the judiciary, which is naturally not going to get a lot of media sympathy or public empathy. But the same would be true if a female Latino said this if the Court were being dominated by Latino females. This whole issue is about dominance and power, not &quot;double-standards&quot;. There is no double-standard at the level of the underlying power dynamics here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s absurd to say that if the situation were reversed, meaning there were no white males on the Supreme Court, and a white male said something similar to Sotomayor&#8217;s remarks, that he would be condemned for it. Sotomayor &#8220;gets away&#8221; with these remarks, not because the media is prejudiced or has a double standard, but because there&#8217;s never been a Latino woman on the court, so her claim to wisdom from this section of an unrepresented minority does not imply some kind of dominance threat to anyone. We&#8217;re not about to see the Supreme Court packed with six more Latino females after Sotomayor. </p>
<p>If a white male said the same thing, while white males dominated the court, it would be taken as a justification for continuing that dominance. So that wouldn&#8217;t be acceptable, unless of course you were simply in favor of one sector of the electorate dominating the judiciary, which is naturally not going to get a lot of media sympathy or public empathy. But the same would be true if a female Latino said this if the Court were being dominated by Latino females. This whole issue is about dominance and power, not &#8220;double-standards&#8221;. There is no double-standard at the level of the underlying power dynamics here.</p>
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		<title>By: jetan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without delving too deeply into the racial debate....which I consider, frankly, moronic....I hope that I may be forgiven for pointing out Andy McCarthy&#039;s extremely weird diatribe at NRO as to what Republicans can or cannot tolerate in a Supreme Ct Justice. Why are we even discussing this? There are no votes to stop her. It is a non-controversy, a dead issue. Who cares what McCarthy thinks? Who cares what Newt thinks?g

What makes it even crazier are the unhinged comments by Sean Hannity et al to the effect that she is some nutso leftist Judge....would that it were so, I was hoping against hope that he would pick Lessig. in spite of his paper trail....but the fact is that her judicial record appears to be utterly prosaic. Of course, so id Souter&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without delving too deeply into the racial debate&#8230;.which I consider, frankly, moronic&#8230;.I hope that I may be forgiven for pointing out Andy McCarthy&#8217;s extremely weird diatribe at NRO as to what Republicans can or cannot tolerate in a Supreme Ct Justice. Why are we even discussing this? There are no votes to stop her. It is a non-controversy, a dead issue. Who cares what McCarthy thinks? Who cares what Newt thinks?g</p>
<p>What makes it even crazier are the unhinged comments by Sean Hannity et al to the effect that she is some nutso leftist Judge&#8230;.would that it were so, I was hoping against hope that he would pick Lessig. in spite of his paper trail&#8230;.but the fact is that her judicial record appears to be utterly prosaic. Of course, so id Souter&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake - butnottheone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake - butnottheone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, Derek, tall white men with great hair continue to rule this nation. Pardon me while I cry into my beer over all the discrimination levied against the poor, poor, disadvantaged wasps. Not to mention the GOP.

With that last line you just joined the WATB gooper chorus.

Sad. Just sad.

Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, Derek, tall white men with great hair continue to rule this nation. Pardon me while I cry into my beer over all the discrimination levied against the poor, poor, disadvantaged wasps. Not to mention the GOP.</p>
<p>With that last line you just joined the WATB gooper chorus.</p>
<p>Sad. Just sad.</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not sure why thatâ€™s so controversialâ€“I have a hard time believing that sheâ€™s the first nominee to have ever suggested that she has experience which might enable her to make better decisions in a certain area.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s controversial because if a white had given an equally &quot;nuanced&quot; speech to a conservative audience (dare I say at a southern university!), his career would be reduced to a joke on late night television.  People naturally don&#039;t like double standards.  It raises hackles.  So we should expose it.  If the left is willing to swallow this and defend it, great.  We&#039;ll keep that in mind next time they go after Sailer.

G.O.M. wrote

&lt;i&gt;The Sotomayor battle needs to be fought out on some ground other than the claim sheâ€™s a racist.&lt;/i&gt;

Fine, but we don&#039;t need to ignore the speech either.  You can have different lines of attack.  Some attention should be paid to this speech, and Sotomayor and her defenders should point out why it&#039;s acceptable for her to say things that would get a white man in trouble.

Allan wrote:
&lt;i&gt;With very few honorable exceptions, those least troubled by racism are those most troubled by reverse racism. &lt;/i&gt;

Yes, Allan, because there are both legal social remedies to white racism.  There&#039;s almost none when it works the other way.  In fact, discrimination against whites is embedded into our legal structure.

Is there an element of self-interest involved?  Hell, yes.  So what?  If you want to play the selfless, status-seeking SWPL that&#039;s your call, but don&#039;t expect me to be impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™m not sure why thatâ€™s so controversialâ€“I have a hard time believing that sheâ€™s the first nominee to have ever suggested that she has experience which might enable her to make better decisions in a certain area.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s controversial because if a white had given an equally &#8220;nuanced&#8221; speech to a conservative audience (dare I say at a southern university!), his career would be reduced to a joke on late night television.  People naturally don&#8217;t like double standards.  It raises hackles.  So we should expose it.  If the left is willing to swallow this and defend it, great.  We&#8217;ll keep that in mind next time they go after Sailer.</p>
<p>G.O.M. wrote</p>
<p><i>The Sotomayor battle needs to be fought out on some ground other than the claim sheâ€™s a racist.</i></p>
<p>Fine, but we don&#8217;t need to ignore the speech either.  You can have different lines of attack.  Some attention should be paid to this speech, and Sotomayor and her defenders should point out why it&#8217;s acceptable for her to say things that would get a white man in trouble.</p>
<p>Allan wrote:<br />
<i>With very few honorable exceptions, those least troubled by racism are those most troubled by reverse racism. </i></p>
<p>Yes, Allan, because there are both legal social remedies to white racism.  There&#8217;s almost none when it works the other way.  In fact, discrimination against whites is embedded into our legal structure.</p>
<p>Is there an element of self-interest involved?  Hell, yes.  So what?  If you want to play the selfless, status-seeking SWPL that&#8217;s your call, but don&#8217;t expect me to be impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/05/28/losing-in-the-long-run/comment-page-1/#comment-32469</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt D - I see what your saying, which is part of the reason why I put my idea so tentatively - I&#039;m still working through the consequences of this approach to race.  Nonetheless, I think you could argue that your &quot;benign distaste&quot; and &quot;desire to condemn&quot; are both frequently referred to as racism in contemporary society  (this, incidentally reflects what Daniel was saying in his follow-up post: &quot;the word racist has been so overused and abused over the years that it is fast approaching the status of the word fascist to mean â€œsomeone or something I donâ€™t like.â€ It has become one of a few catch-all labels used to express contempt, and it has become less of a descriptive term and more of a pejorative one&quot;).  Which is precisely why I am interested in attempting to find a (to borrow Daniel&#039;s term again) position with greater nuance.  Either we need to draw much firmer and clearer lines with regard to racism, such that &quot;benign distaste&quot; is not racist provided it does not spill over into active prejudice.  Or, in my speculative approach, we accept that all these things are racist but with the corollary that there exist more and less harmful and offensive kinds of racism, only some of which should be illegal etc.  My hope for this approach is that by forcing us to engage with degrees of racism we might have a more informed and sensible debate about the whole subject.  The worst kind of racists would no longer be able to hide behind the idea of &#039;political correctness gone mad&#039; whilst at the other end of the spectrum we would see less of the &quot;catch-all to express contempt&quot; which has devalued the term.  Just to clarify, I think all these kinds of racism should be avoided; I just want to distinguish more clearly between those that are harmful to a free and fair society and those that are merely ignorant.  Perhaps it is impossible to make this distinction clearly.  But I think it is a worthwhile exercise to attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt D &#8211; I see what your saying, which is part of the reason why I put my idea so tentatively &#8211; I&#8217;m still working through the consequences of this approach to race.  Nonetheless, I think you could argue that your &#8220;benign distaste&#8221; and &#8220;desire to condemn&#8221; are both frequently referred to as racism in contemporary society  (this, incidentally reflects what Daniel was saying in his follow-up post: &#8220;the word racist has been so overused and abused over the years that it is fast approaching the status of the word fascist to mean â€œsomeone or something I donâ€™t like.â€ It has become one of a few catch-all labels used to express contempt, and it has become less of a descriptive term and more of a pejorative one&#8221;).  Which is precisely why I am interested in attempting to find a (to borrow Daniel&#8217;s term again) position with greater nuance.  Either we need to draw much firmer and clearer lines with regard to racism, such that &#8220;benign distaste&#8221; is not racist provided it does not spill over into active prejudice.  Or, in my speculative approach, we accept that all these things are racist but with the corollary that there exist more and less harmful and offensive kinds of racism, only some of which should be illegal etc.  My hope for this approach is that by forcing us to engage with degrees of racism we might have a more informed and sensible debate about the whole subject.  The worst kind of racists would no longer be able to hide behind the idea of &#8216;political correctness gone mad&#8217; whilst at the other end of the spectrum we would see less of the &#8220;catch-all to express contempt&#8221; which has devalued the term.  Just to clarify, I think all these kinds of racism should be avoided; I just want to distinguish more clearly between those that are harmful to a free and fair society and those that are merely ignorant.  Perhaps it is impossible to make this distinction clearly.  But I think it is a worthwhile exercise to attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One way of thinking about this idea that I have been exploring is the view that racism is inevitable and necessary (hear me out!) in that unacceptable racism is only an extension of the kinds of instincts that we rely upon in forming any judgement.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree that some degree of racism is inevitable in that we are all products of our environment and our environments do tend to be segregated even today. However, I would hope you understand that when you talk about racism, you&#039;re not just talking about someone&#039;s more or less benign distaste for being around people of a different race-- you&#039;re talking about someone&#039;s desire to condemn those with different skin tones to permanent status as second class citizens, to deny them participation in the political process, to abuse them, enslave them, or even eradicate them. 

&lt;i&gt;yet I would argue that judging things by appearance is an essential part of human interaction.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, okay. On a small scale, sure. Broaden it to the entire nation with the full apparatus of government and industry and it&#039;s very clear what racism means and entails, but much less clear how that forms &quot;an essential part of human interaction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One way of thinking about this idea that I have been exploring is the view that racism is inevitable and necessary (hear me out!) in that unacceptable racism is only an extension of the kinds of instincts that we rely upon in forming any judgement.</i></p>
<p>I agree that some degree of racism is inevitable in that we are all products of our environment and our environments do tend to be segregated even today. However, I would hope you understand that when you talk about racism, you&#8217;re not just talking about someone&#8217;s more or less benign distaste for being around people of a different race&#8211; you&#8217;re talking about someone&#8217;s desire to condemn those with different skin tones to permanent status as second class citizens, to deny them participation in the political process, to abuse them, enslave them, or even eradicate them. </p>
<p><i>yet I would argue that judging things by appearance is an essential part of human interaction.</i></p>
<p>Well, okay. On a small scale, sure. Broaden it to the entire nation with the full apparatus of government and industry and it&#8217;s very clear what racism means and entails, but much less clear how that forms &#8220;an essential part of human interaction.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the controversy around Sotomayor&#039;s actual comments confected  and tedious.  I can&#039;t read her statements and see them as meaningfully racist. In her most &#039;offensive&#039; remark the comparison is between a &quot;wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences&quot; and a &quot;white male who hasnâ€™t lived that life&quot;.  She neither suggests nor implies that all Latina women are wise with rich experiences, nor does she compare her wise Latina woman with a wise white man - the substance of the point is that wise people with experience make better judges, hardly controversial unless you&#039;re invested in the whole Palin-folk wisdom view of governance.

But I&#039;m much more interested in the terms of debate that you have established in this discussion.  I am attracted to the idea that &quot;neutrality and objectivity do not exist&quot; and that whilst &quot;[o]ne should strive to minimize the role of bias ... it is ineradicable&quot;.  One way of thinking about this idea that I have been exploring is the view that racism is inevitable and necessary (hear me out!) in that unacceptable racism is only an extension of the kinds of instincts that we rely upon in forming any judgement.  At its furthest extension, it seems to me that the business of decrying racism must lead to a rejection of all judgement by appearance - yet I would argue that judging things by appearance is an essential part of human interaction.  In a sense, I want to see all judgements on a scale and then have society, both officially through the law, and unofficially through cultural norms, delineate what is and is not acceptable (and I lean towards the latter form of regulation).  Part of the reason I raise this here is that I suspect there are people on this blog with a better understanding of the intellectual history of this kind of idea.  So let me know if I&#039;m merely saying something that has been said many times before and many times more eloquently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the controversy around Sotomayor&#8217;s actual comments confected  and tedious.  I can&#8217;t read her statements and see them as meaningfully racist. In her most &#8216;offensive&#8217; remark the comparison is between a &#8220;wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences&#8221; and a &#8220;white male who hasnâ€™t lived that life&#8221;.  She neither suggests nor implies that all Latina women are wise with rich experiences, nor does she compare her wise Latina woman with a wise white man &#8211; the substance of the point is that wise people with experience make better judges, hardly controversial unless you&#8217;re invested in the whole Palin-folk wisdom view of governance.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m much more interested in the terms of debate that you have established in this discussion.  I am attracted to the idea that &#8220;neutrality and objectivity do not exist&#8221; and that whilst &#8220;[o]ne should strive to minimize the role of bias &#8230; it is ineradicable&#8221;.  One way of thinking about this idea that I have been exploring is the view that racism is inevitable and necessary (hear me out!) in that unacceptable racism is only an extension of the kinds of instincts that we rely upon in forming any judgement.  At its furthest extension, it seems to me that the business of decrying racism must lead to a rejection of all judgement by appearance &#8211; yet I would argue that judging things by appearance is an essential part of human interaction.  In a sense, I want to see all judgements on a scale and then have society, both officially through the law, and unofficially through cultural norms, delineate what is and is not acceptable (and I lean towards the latter form of regulation).  Part of the reason I raise this here is that I suspect there are people on this blog with a better understanding of the intellectual history of this kind of idea.  So let me know if I&#8217;m merely saying something that has been said many times before and many times more eloquently.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was some glitch in the system after Derek posted his comment and before I wrote my first response.  Somehow the second and third comments in the thread disappeared and were then added back in.  My apologies for the confusion.  It shouldn&#039;t keep happening in future posts.  I believe it is a function of the later time-stamps that have been given to these comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was some glitch in the system after Derek posted his comment and before I wrote my first response.  Somehow the second and third comments in the thread disappeared and were then added back in.  My apologies for the confusion.  It shouldn&#8217;t keep happening in future posts.  I believe it is a function of the later time-stamps that have been given to these comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I am totally baffled as to how these comments are being threaded. Did Wordpress change something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I am totally baffled as to how these comments are being threaded. Did Wordpress change something?</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, these comments are being posted out of chronological order.</description>
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		<title>By: AlanDownunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlanDownunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With very few honorable exceptions, those least troubled by racism are those most troubled by reverse racism. Among them are those here who are immune to Daniel&#039;s wise counsel and oblivious to his irresistible logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With very few honorable exceptions, those least troubled by racism are those most troubled by reverse racism. Among them are those here who are immune to Daniel&#8217;s wise counsel and oblivious to his irresistible logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll also note that there seems to be a willful conflation in some circles between identity and experience. A lot of you would have us believe that she&#039;s asserting a superiority of her identity (Latina), when in actuality she&#039;s suggesting that the experiences which are a product of that identity in this era are unique and valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll also note that there seems to be a willful conflation in some circles between identity and experience. A lot of you would have us believe that she&#8217;s asserting a superiority of her identity (Latina), when in actuality she&#8217;s suggesting that the experiences which are a product of that identity in this era are unique and valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That reads like a mother telling an older child, â€œI would hope youâ€™d know better than your five-year-old brother not do such-and-suchâ€¦â€ I grant itâ€™s not a pronouncement from a Grand Kleagle, but there is an assumption of racial superiority involved, that white males donâ€™t live â€œrichâ€ lives (Theyâ€™re not vibrant either, too, probably).&lt;/i&gt;

If you read the actual piece, it&#039;s pretty clear that there&#039;s no assertion of racial superiority; she&#039;s discussing how the courts have historically dealt with the issue of minority and women&#039;s rights and suggesting that an actual female minority might have some insight that would lead to better judgments in those cases. I&#039;m not sure  why that&#039;s so controversial--I have a hard time believing that she&#039;s the first nominee to have ever suggested that she has experience which might enable her to make better decisions in a certain area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That reads like a mother telling an older child, â€œI would hope youâ€™d know better than your five-year-old brother not do such-and-suchâ€¦â€ I grant itâ€™s not a pronouncement from a Grand Kleagle, but there is an assumption of racial superiority involved, that white males donâ€™t live â€œrichâ€ lives (Theyâ€™re not vibrant either, too, probably).</i></p>
<p>If you read the actual piece, it&#8217;s pretty clear that there&#8217;s no assertion of racial superiority; she&#8217;s discussing how the courts have historically dealt with the issue of minority and women&#8217;s rights and suggesting that an actual female minority might have some insight that would lead to better judgments in those cases. I&#8217;m not sure  why that&#8217;s so controversial&#8211;I have a hard time believing that she&#8217;s the first nominee to have ever suggested that she has experience which might enable her to make better decisions in a certain area.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, I think you&#039;re assigning a bit too much forethought to Sotomeyer&#039;s critics. Claims of &quot;political correctness&quot; or &quot;reverse racism&quot; or whatever have almost always been used primarily as bludgeons from those who have power to avoid discussions with those who do not in social settings, and in political settings, the terms exist primarily to lambast Democrats. Since the President has a D after his name, the terms are busted out - just like Roe v Wade panics hit the Democrats when the President has an R after his name. 

Those who attempt to go a little deeper turn the whole exercise into a national referendum on confirmation bias, as if the Supreme Court nominee is actually the United States&#039; Political Philosophy Professor, who must agree with writer&#039;s assumptions about discussions in the political sphere.


And whites do make claims about the wisdom of their ethnicity and social class. They tend to come in paeans to &quot;Middle America&quot; and &quot;old-fashioned American values&quot; and such, or claims that the American political system was designed miraculously by the magical Founders who had wisdom far beyond their time. Given time (and power) and I&#039;m sure the ethnic minorities in the country can come up with their own code words for their celebration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, I think you&#8217;re assigning a bit too much forethought to Sotomeyer&#8217;s critics. Claims of &#8220;political correctness&#8221; or &#8220;reverse racism&#8221; or whatever have almost always been used primarily as bludgeons from those who have power to avoid discussions with those who do not in social settings, and in political settings, the terms exist primarily to lambast Democrats. Since the President has a D after his name, the terms are busted out &#8211; just like Roe v Wade panics hit the Democrats when the President has an R after his name. </p>
<p>Those who attempt to go a little deeper turn the whole exercise into a national referendum on confirmation bias, as if the Supreme Court nominee is actually the United States&#8217; Political Philosophy Professor, who must agree with writer&#8217;s assumptions about discussions in the political sphere.</p>
<p>And whites do make claims about the wisdom of their ethnicity and social class. They tend to come in paeans to &#8220;Middle America&#8221; and &#8220;old-fashioned American values&#8221; and such, or claims that the American political system was designed miraculously by the magical Founders who had wisdom far beyond their time. Given time (and power) and I&#8217;m sure the ethnic minorities in the country can come up with their own code words for their celebration.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The speech, while subject to criticism, is rather measured. Yes, there&#039;s the appeal to ethnic identity, and  a&quot;Hispanic&quot; or &quot;Latino&quot; identity is rather artificial, as the speech itself shows--Judge Sotomayor never saw a taco until college.

Once America opted for mass immigration and conquests such as Puerto Rico, her society of many sects and voluntary associations could not have prevented ethnic organizations from forming and seeking a place in the sun (or a share of the spoils). Being &quot;Hispanic&quot; does not automatically incline one to much of anything in the judicial world--harshness vs. mercy to criminal defendants, deference to or skepticism of executive power, and so forth.

Moreover, as much as the natter of diversocrats puts my teeth on edge, when it comes to public office, &quot;balanced tickets&quot; are a tradition.  At this point, white Protestant men could probably complain they&#039;re down to one 89-year-old on the Court. The world of politics is different from large companies, universities and the civil service, which ought to be color- and ethnicity-blind.

Daniel&#039;s right. The Sotomayor battle needs to be fought out on some ground other than the claim she&#039;s a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The speech, while subject to criticism, is rather measured. Yes, there&#8217;s the appeal to ethnic identity, and  a&#8221;Hispanic&#8221; or &#8220;Latino&#8221; identity is rather artificial, as the speech itself shows&#8211;Judge Sotomayor never saw a taco until college.</p>
<p>Once America opted for mass immigration and conquests such as Puerto Rico, her society of many sects and voluntary associations could not have prevented ethnic organizations from forming and seeking a place in the sun (or a share of the spoils). Being &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; does not automatically incline one to much of anything in the judicial world&#8211;harshness vs. mercy to criminal defendants, deference to or skepticism of executive power, and so forth.</p>
<p>Moreover, as much as the natter of diversocrats puts my teeth on edge, when it comes to public office, &#8220;balanced tickets&#8221; are a tradition.  At this point, white Protestant men could probably complain they&#8217;re down to one 89-year-old on the Court. The world of politics is different from large companies, universities and the civil service, which ought to be color- and ethnicity-blind.</p>
<p>Daniel&#8217;s right. The Sotomayor battle needs to be fought out on some ground other than the claim she&#8217;s a racist.</p>
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