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		<title>By: tedschan</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/06/07/more-on-cairo/comment-page-1/#comment-32660</link>
		<dc:creator>tedschan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who exactly was predicting that a Hezbollah-dominated alliance would defeat the March 14 alliance? Just because Hezbollah did not accomplish this (and it would be nice to show from their own words that this is what they wanted to do) does not mean that the party is not losing ground or becoming weaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who exactly was predicting that a Hezbollah-dominated alliance would defeat the March 14 alliance? Just because Hezbollah did not accomplish this (and it would be nice to show from their own words that this is what they wanted to do) does not mean that the party is not losing ground or becoming weaker.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the recent June elections, Hizbullah retained its direct control of the shiite seats, but it&#039;s overall alliance lost out, whereas the mainstream pro-American alliance gained, at least in relation to the March elections. Hizbullah cannot possibly rule only by retaining dedicated shiite representation. They have to cross over and gain support from other seats, and allied parties. That&#039;s where they were expected to win, and where they fell short. Not comprehending how multi-party parliamentary election alliances work leads to false conclusions about election results. The Hizbullah-backed alliance fell short, even if their own seats were retained. In short, they lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the recent June elections, Hizbullah retained its direct control of the shiite seats, but it&#8217;s overall alliance lost out, whereas the mainstream pro-American alliance gained, at least in relation to the March elections. Hizbullah cannot possibly rule only by retaining dedicated shiite representation. They have to cross over and gain support from other seats, and allied parties. That&#8217;s where they were expected to win, and where they fell short. Not comprehending how multi-party parliamentary election alliances work leads to false conclusions about election results. The Hizbullah-backed alliance fell short, even if their own seats were retained. In short, they lost.</p>
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		<title>By: JJM lost his password</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/06/07/more-on-cairo/comment-page-1/#comment-32645</link>
		<dc:creator>JJM lost his password</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13808801</description>
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		<title>By: Sean S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s dangerous to presume that other people&#039;s internal elections have anything to do with our actions, atleast in situations that aren&#039;t obvious (such as overt interference on the part of us, or a recent disagreement bilaterally between us and some other country). The truth is much of politics is still intensely local, and in many developing countries focuses around basic competency; who can deliver the goods on time. It is partially why Hamas won its only elections in Gaza, and partially why other coalitions often win in other countries, which may or may not be &quot;pro-western&quot;.

Its this kind of myopia of searching for perfect governing coalitions in other countries that puts our foreign policy appratuses foot in its mouth; by signalling intentions for one side or the other, or involving ourselves in what may be distinctly regional disputes, we sour everyone involved and often-times come out losing at the other end. You never hear anyone suggest that the election of a specific party in a Western European country will result in the collapse of bilateral relationships, though there may be significant differences in policy and tone. There&#039;s no reason we can&#039;t maintain that sort of balance with developing countries as well and the obsession with reading the tea leaves is myopic.

Speaking of which I was miffed today by the fact that two of the questions that Clinton got today while holding a press conference with the Indonesian foreign minister were unrelated to anything dealing with his country, which seems keenly relevant considering its size and weight in the Islamic world of Southeast Asia. Moreover, some journalist actually thought he was going to get an answer when asking her who she thought the US was looking for to win, as if she&#039;s going to say it right there with the current governments representative standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s dangerous to presume that other people&#8217;s internal elections have anything to do with our actions, atleast in situations that aren&#8217;t obvious (such as overt interference on the part of us, or a recent disagreement bilaterally between us and some other country). The truth is much of politics is still intensely local, and in many developing countries focuses around basic competency; who can deliver the goods on time. It is partially why Hamas won its only elections in Gaza, and partially why other coalitions often win in other countries, which may or may not be &#8220;pro-western&#8221;.</p>
<p>Its this kind of myopia of searching for perfect governing coalitions in other countries that puts our foreign policy appratuses foot in its mouth; by signalling intentions for one side or the other, or involving ourselves in what may be distinctly regional disputes, we sour everyone involved and often-times come out losing at the other end. You never hear anyone suggest that the election of a specific party in a Western European country will result in the collapse of bilateral relationships, though there may be significant differences in policy and tone. There&#8217;s no reason we can&#8217;t maintain that sort of balance with developing countries as well and the obsession with reading the tea leaves is myopic.</p>
<p>Speaking of which I was miffed today by the fact that two of the questions that Clinton got today while holding a press conference with the Indonesian foreign minister were unrelated to anything dealing with his country, which seems keenly relevant considering its size and weight in the Islamic world of Southeast Asia. Moreover, some journalist actually thought he was going to get an answer when asking her who she thought the US was looking for to win, as if she&#8217;s going to say it right there with the current governments representative standing.</p>
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		<title>By: JJM lost his password</title>
		<link>http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/06/07/more-on-cairo/comment-page-1/#comment-32642</link>
		<dc:creator>JJM lost his password</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[Hizbullah] lost, and something clearly changed. The tide changed.&lt;/i&gt;

Whoops!

&lt;i&gt;Hezbollah [...] candidates captured all 27 seats allocated to the Shi’ites.  None of [Hizbullah&#039;s] candidates lost.&lt;/i&gt;

Haha, that&#039;s rich.  It&#039;s really the perfect Obama-geist:

&quot;A new day has dawned in America!  We have turned a tide in Iraq er.. Lebanon!  Hizbullah&#039;s on the run because of a brave, thoughtful American leader!&quot;

* things go on more or less as they always have *</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Hizbullah] lost, and something clearly changed. The tide changed.</i></p>
<p>Whoops!</p>
<p><i>Hezbollah [...] candidates captured all 27 seats allocated to the Shi’ites.  None of [Hizbullah's] candidates lost.</i></p>
<p>Haha, that&#8217;s rich.  It&#8217;s really the perfect Obama-geist:</p>
<p>&#8220;A new day has dawned in America!  We have turned a tide in Iraq er.. Lebanon!  Hizbullah&#8217;s on the run because of a brave, thoughtful American leader!&#8221;</p>
<p>* things go on more or less as they always have *</p>
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		<title>By: tedschan</title>
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		<dc:creator>tedschan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regarding the elections themselves, whatâ€™s interesting is that last week it was widely assumed that Hizbullah would win. This week they lost, and something clearly changed.&lt;/i&gt;

???

&quot;There were no surprises in this regard on Sunday. Hezbollah and Amal candidates captured all 27 seats allocated to the Shi&#039;ites. The Saad al-Hariri bloc took the majority of the 27 seats allocated for Sunnis. The real tipping point was the Christian vote, divided between former army commander Michel Aoun on one front, and a coalition of Christian leaders, headed by ex-president Amin Gemayel and ex-warlord Samir Gagega, on the other. The Christian vote emerged as more united behind March 14 than it was around Michel Aoun, explaining the 20-seat difference between the camps.&quot;

&quot;Hezbollah, campaigning directly with 11 candidates, won all of its allocated seats, taking the towns of Nabatiyeh, Marjeyoun, Hasbaya, Tyre and Bin Jbeil. &lt;b&gt;None of its candidates lost.&lt;/b&gt; Its ally, former minister Suleiman Franjiyeh, took his native town of Zghorta, a leading Christian stronghold. The Free Patriotic Movement of Aoun took Christian strongholds such as Kesrouan, Jbeil, Baabda and Jezzine.&quot; 


&lt;a href=&quot;http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF09Ak03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Regarding the elections themselves, whatâ€™s interesting is that last week it was widely assumed that Hizbullah would win. This week they lost, and something clearly changed.</i></p>
<p>???</p>
<p>&#8220;There were no surprises in this regard on Sunday. Hezbollah and Amal candidates captured all 27 seats allocated to the Shi&#8217;ites. The Saad al-Hariri bloc took the majority of the 27 seats allocated for Sunnis. The real tipping point was the Christian vote, divided between former army commander Michel Aoun on one front, and a coalition of Christian leaders, headed by ex-president Amin Gemayel and ex-warlord Samir Gagega, on the other. The Christian vote emerged as more united behind March 14 than it was around Michel Aoun, explaining the 20-seat difference between the camps.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hezbollah, campaigning directly with 11 candidates, won all of its allocated seats, taking the towns of Nabatiyeh, Marjeyoun, Hasbaya, Tyre and Bin Jbeil. <b>None of its candidates lost.</b> Its ally, former minister Suleiman Franjiyeh, took his native town of Zghorta, a leading Christian stronghold. The Free Patriotic Movement of Aoun took Christian strongholds such as Kesrouan, Jbeil, Baabda and Jezzine.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF09Ak03.html" rel="nofollow">source</a></p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the same note, let&#039;s see what happens in the upcoming Iranian elections. If the moderate/reformist parties win, and Ahmadinejad loses, it&#039;s another sin of a shift going on. And it plays into Obama&#039;s hand. One can say it&#039;s not due to this speech alone, but it&#039;s hard to say it&#039;s not due to Obama being the new face of the American/western block. One has to take into account that the most important element of Obama&#039;s speech is not in the text, but in the fact that it was Obama who delivered it, and that Obama is seen differently in the muslim world than every other previous western world leader. Whether or not he is actually radically different isn&#039;t nearly as important as that he is perceived as different, in that the failure to bring about changes in the region have had a lot to do with a certain continuity of bad impressions that Obama has the opportunity to break from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the same note, let&#8217;s see what happens in the upcoming Iranian elections. If the moderate/reformist parties win, and Ahmadinejad loses, it&#8217;s another sin of a shift going on. And it plays into Obama&#8217;s hand. One can say it&#8217;s not due to this speech alone, but it&#8217;s hard to say it&#8217;s not due to Obama being the new face of the American/western block. One has to take into account that the most important element of Obama&#8217;s speech is not in the text, but in the fact that it was Obama who delivered it, and that Obama is seen differently in the muslim world than every other previous western world leader. Whether or not he is actually radically different isn&#8217;t nearly as important as that he is perceived as different, in that the failure to bring about changes in the region have had a lot to do with a certain continuity of bad impressions that Obama has the opportunity to break from.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you argue that the Lebanese elections were not at all influenced by Obama, it still confirms that the kind of Muslims Obama is appealing to can win elections in Muslim countries and gain traction against the more radical, jihadist elements. Obama is aiming his speech at those types, and making an effort to win over those who might otherwise reflexively oppose what America/Bush want.

Regarding the elections themselves, what&#039;s interesting is that last week it was widely assumed that Hizbullah would win. This week they lost, and something clearly changed. The tide changed. That&#039;s more important than the actual vote totals. If Obama was appealing for an incremental tidal change, he got one. Whether he&#039;s the cause of it, the prognositicator of it, or merely a weathervane, it bodes well. The whole point of Obama&#039;s strategy on virtually everything is incremental changes that in any given moment don&#039;t seem like much, but over time build up into something substantial. This should be taken into account when examining any step or speech Obama makes. People are fooled into thinking Obama doesn&#039;t represent &quot;change&quot; because he doesn&#039;t take sudden, huge steps. He&#039;s figured out that if he does, he&#039;s more easily opposed. Whereas eating away at something slowly ends up being more productive than trying to win it all in one fell swoop of theatrical brilliance.

As for Hizbullah&#039;s future, I think they just peaked. That&#039;s the real message there. They gained a lot in recent years, and they needed to maintain that momentum to keep on the roll. They remind me of the Nazis in 1932, when they peaked also, and were on the decline, but managed to get control of the government anyway, and that was the end of elections. The difference here is that Hizbullah won&#039;t be able to control the government, and will likely decline from here on out. I think their historical moment has passed, and Obama is one of the signs of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you argue that the Lebanese elections were not at all influenced by Obama, it still confirms that the kind of Muslims Obama is appealing to can win elections in Muslim countries and gain traction against the more radical, jihadist elements. Obama is aiming his speech at those types, and making an effort to win over those who might otherwise reflexively oppose what America/Bush want.</p>
<p>Regarding the elections themselves, what&#8217;s interesting is that last week it was widely assumed that Hizbullah would win. This week they lost, and something clearly changed. The tide changed. That&#8217;s more important than the actual vote totals. If Obama was appealing for an incremental tidal change, he got one. Whether he&#8217;s the cause of it, the prognositicator of it, or merely a weathervane, it bodes well. The whole point of Obama&#8217;s strategy on virtually everything is incremental changes that in any given moment don&#8217;t seem like much, but over time build up into something substantial. This should be taken into account when examining any step or speech Obama makes. People are fooled into thinking Obama doesn&#8217;t represent &#8220;change&#8221; because he doesn&#8217;t take sudden, huge steps. He&#8217;s figured out that if he does, he&#8217;s more easily opposed. Whereas eating away at something slowly ends up being more productive than trying to win it all in one fell swoop of theatrical brilliance.</p>
<p>As for Hizbullah&#8217;s future, I think they just peaked. That&#8217;s the real message there. They gained a lot in recent years, and they needed to maintain that momentum to keep on the roll. They remind me of the Nazis in 1932, when they peaked also, and were on the decline, but managed to get control of the government anyway, and that was the end of elections. The difference here is that Hizbullah won&#8217;t be able to control the government, and will likely decline from here on out. I think their historical moment has passed, and Obama is one of the signs of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want everyone to like the speech.  If it had worked to reach the audience I&#039;m talking about, it would have been more widely reviled over here.  Of course one speech isn&#039;t going to transform things.  If you assume that the goal was to persuade the Muslims I&#039;m talking about to be more favorably inclined to the United States, I don&#039;t think it succeeded.  Arguably, one of the biggest problems with it is that so many Americans of different political stripes had few objections to it, and most of these have amounted to nit-picking.  Had there been more to it, it would have generated stronger reactions, both negative and positive.    

I don&#039;t buy for a minute that the Maronite Aoun&#039;s party fared worse than expected in the Lebanese elections because of anything Obama has said or done.  Reportedly, Aoun screwed up several times during the campaign and alienated swing Christian votes that might have made the difference in key areas.  Had the opposition prevailed, most people now crediting Obama with success would be spinning away perceived failure, and the people trying to downplay the results would be citing this as evidence that Obama&#039;s so-called &quot;weakness&quot; had brought down the March 14 movement.  Since I am not committed to either fiction, I have no problem saying that Obama had nothing to do with the results.  That&#039;s not a criticism or a compliment--it&#039;s just the reality. 

More often than we care to think, other nations&#039; elections and political life really have nothing to do with us.  The results seem to me to be a vote against empowering Aoun&#039;s movement and Aoun himself, and this is driven in large part by internal Lebanese political rivalries.  Where we go astray so often is in believing that their elections and political life are closely tied up with our policies and influence.  What is bizarre in the Western reactions to the elections is the failure to notice that *the government reportedly lost seats* and the FPM/Hizbullah bloc gained seats (at least according to BBC estimates).  In the best-case scenario, March 14 has held on to what it had, but that&#039;s all.  There is almost no mention that the March 14 victory was actively backed by Saudi money, which is otherwise not normally regarded as a particularly good thing.  Any possible gains for the opposition are being treated as defeat because some pre-election hype made it seem as if it was going to take power, but in any country a reduced majority for the government is a vote against the status quo.  If the opposition has made gains, this would make nonsense of any analysis that tries to set this up as some post-war repudiation of Hizbullah.  If the numbers have remained more or less the same, what we can say is that the opposition has not profited from the war and its aftermath over the last few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want everyone to like the speech.  If it had worked to reach the audience I&#8217;m talking about, it would have been more widely reviled over here.  Of course one speech isn&#8217;t going to transform things.  If you assume that the goal was to persuade the Muslims I&#8217;m talking about to be more favorably inclined to the United States, I don&#8217;t think it succeeded.  Arguably, one of the biggest problems with it is that so many Americans of different political stripes had few objections to it, and most of these have amounted to nit-picking.  Had there been more to it, it would have generated stronger reactions, both negative and positive.    </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy for a minute that the Maronite Aoun&#8217;s party fared worse than expected in the Lebanese elections because of anything Obama has said or done.  Reportedly, Aoun screwed up several times during the campaign and alienated swing Christian votes that might have made the difference in key areas.  Had the opposition prevailed, most people now crediting Obama with success would be spinning away perceived failure, and the people trying to downplay the results would be citing this as evidence that Obama&#8217;s so-called &#8220;weakness&#8221; had brought down the March 14 movement.  Since I am not committed to either fiction, I have no problem saying that Obama had nothing to do with the results.  That&#8217;s not a criticism or a compliment&#8211;it&#8217;s just the reality. </p>
<p>More often than we care to think, other nations&#8217; elections and political life really have nothing to do with us.  The results seem to me to be a vote against empowering Aoun&#8217;s movement and Aoun himself, and this is driven in large part by internal Lebanese political rivalries.  Where we go astray so often is in believing that their elections and political life are closely tied up with our policies and influence.  What is bizarre in the Western reactions to the elections is the failure to notice that *the government reportedly lost seats* and the FPM/Hizbullah bloc gained seats (at least according to BBC estimates).  In the best-case scenario, March 14 has held on to what it had, but that&#8217;s all.  There is almost no mention that the March 14 victory was actively backed by Saudi money, which is otherwise not normally regarded as a particularly good thing.  Any possible gains for the opposition are being treated as defeat because some pre-election hype made it seem as if it was going to take power, but in any country a reduced majority for the government is a vote against the status quo.  If the opposition has made gains, this would make nonsense of any analysis that tries to set this up as some post-war repudiation of Hizbullah.  If the numbers have remained more or less the same, what we can say is that the opposition has not profited from the war and its aftermath over the last few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake - butnottheone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake - butnottheone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Matt and conrad - the audience was an inverted pincer attack aimed at his critics abroad and at home, and that it is but one step in a progression.

Still, Daniel&#039;s points are mostly well taken.  However, I think we can see that Obama is not actually aiming for the status quo, but something different.  Just how different is open to question.

Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Matt and conrad &#8211; the audience was an inverted pincer attack aimed at his critics abroad and at home, and that it is but one step in a progression.</p>
<p>Still, Daniel&#8217;s points are mostly well taken.  However, I think we can see that Obama is not actually aiming for the status quo, but something different.  Just how different is open to question.</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While I still think the Cairo speech failed, it failed because significant numbers of persuadable Muslims are not going to be won over by an appeal that urges a sort of satyagraha for the Palestinians at the same time that the bombardment of Lebanon and strikes in Gaza go unmentioned.&quot;

Well, of course &quot;significant numbers&quot; of persuadable Muslims will be unpersuaded. Does anyone honestly expect all persuadable people will be persuaded by a single speech? And yet, a week later, the Lebanese elections, which had seemed to be going Hezbollah&#039;s way, now seem to be going the way of the pro-American parties. I would say that enough of the persuadable people have been persuaded to make a difference. And that is what matters, not some ideal by which everyone gets persuaded. I think it&#039;s hard to say the speech was a failure, simply because the skies did not open and the world was not made whole in a single stroke. This seems to be an example of deliberately setting expectations so high that Obama is guaranteed to fail to meet them. On the whole, by any ordinary standards, the speech was a well-received success. But, of course, it&#039;s just one speech in a long series of diplomatic initiatives and gestures, and as an opening gambit, it seems to have worked rather well. It&#039;s worth noting that if everyone had liked it, it would not serve any purpose at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While I still think the Cairo speech failed, it failed because significant numbers of persuadable Muslims are not going to be won over by an appeal that urges a sort of satyagraha for the Palestinians at the same time that the bombardment of Lebanon and strikes in Gaza go unmentioned.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, of course &#8220;significant numbers&#8221; of persuadable Muslims will be unpersuaded. Does anyone honestly expect all persuadable people will be persuaded by a single speech? And yet, a week later, the Lebanese elections, which had seemed to be going Hezbollah&#8217;s way, now seem to be going the way of the pro-American parties. I would say that enough of the persuadable people have been persuaded to make a difference. And that is what matters, not some ideal by which everyone gets persuaded. I think it&#8217;s hard to say the speech was a failure, simply because the skies did not open and the world was not made whole in a single stroke. This seems to be an example of deliberately setting expectations so high that Obama is guaranteed to fail to meet them. On the whole, by any ordinary standards, the speech was a well-received success. But, of course, it&#8217;s just one speech in a long series of diplomatic initiatives and gestures, and as an opening gambit, it seems to have worked rather well. It&#8217;s worth noting that if everyone had liked it, it would not serve any purpose at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the ricochet pander as applied to public diplomacy.  Maybe.  It&#039;s not out of the question that he is attempting to marginalize both his domestic critics on foreign policy and extremely hostile anti-Americans abroad at the same time.  The speech was more successful if he was concerned more with the former, as the mostly ridiculous reactions to his speech make clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the ricochet pander as applied to public diplomacy.  Maybe.  It&#8217;s not out of the question that he is attempting to marginalize both his domestic critics on foreign policy and extremely hostile anti-Americans abroad at the same time.  The speech was more successful if he was concerned more with the former, as the mostly ridiculous reactions to his speech make clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It strikes me that Obama&#039;s speech was really directed at a domestic audience.  The people most impressed by what he had to say are Americans in the political center, offended by the belligerence of the previous administration.  It hasn&#039;t hurt the US with Muslims but as many have said in the aftermath, it will take actions, not words to convince the Islamic world that the US is not their enemy.  Frum&#039;s reaction is of course precisely what the President desires.  What some Republicans seem incapable of understanding is that Obama believes (and there is considerable evidence in support of his view) that he will benefit from a debate between a bellicose and exceptionalist opposition and a calmer and ostensibly more internationalist Presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strikes me that Obama&#8217;s speech was really directed at a domestic audience.  The people most impressed by what he had to say are Americans in the political center, offended by the belligerence of the previous administration.  It hasn&#8217;t hurt the US with Muslims but as many have said in the aftermath, it will take actions, not words to convince the Islamic world that the US is not their enemy.  Frum&#8217;s reaction is of course precisely what the President desires.  What some Republicans seem incapable of understanding is that Obama believes (and there is considerable evidence in support of his view) that he will benefit from a debate between a bellicose and exceptionalist opposition and a calmer and ostensibly more internationalist Presidency.</p>
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