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	<title>Comments on: Hoffman And The Failures Of The National GOP</title>
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		<title>By: BarryD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fast Jimmy, on November 5th, 2009 at 12:25 am Said:

&quot;It should be obvious, but a secret ballot allows workers to anonymously, and without intimidation from either the employer...&quot;

Please stop lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fast Jimmy, on November 5th, 2009 at 12:25 am Said:</p>
<p>&#8220;It should be obvious, but a secret ballot allows workers to anonymously, and without intimidation from either the employer&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Please stop lying.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just be honest: Republican opposition to card check is simply part of their general opposition to unions, and to anything that would make it easier for unions to organize workers. If card check made it harder for unions to organize, Republicans would be all for it, regardless of whether it did away with &quot;secret ballots&quot; or not. And the same is true for Democrats. They are in favor of card check because it makes it easier to organize workers into unions, that&#039;s all. The real issue with card check is whether we want to encourage or discourage union organizing. It&#039;s got little to nothing to do with secret ballots versus an open process. Both sides are simply being practical in pursuing their particular interests, which in the case of unions are diametrically opposite one another. That&#039;s why the issue is so polarized, and why pro/con arguments about the actual specifics of card check hardly matter, and always break back down to pro/con attitudes towards unions. If you think labor unions are bad for the country, chances are you&#039;re going to be against card check, and vice-versa, regardless of the nature of card check itself. It&#039;s not really that complicated. As Daniel notes in NY-23, if the electorate is composed of sizable numbers of union members and their families, it&#039;s very hard to Republicans to win elections while opposing card check. There&#039;s nothing mysterious about this. Owens took advantage of this, and Scozzafava helped emphasize this. In a different kind of Republican district, with fewer unions members, the issue would not have helped Democrats at all, and would likely have hurt them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just be honest: Republican opposition to card check is simply part of their general opposition to unions, and to anything that would make it easier for unions to organize workers. If card check made it harder for unions to organize, Republicans would be all for it, regardless of whether it did away with &#8220;secret ballots&#8221; or not. And the same is true for Democrats. They are in favor of card check because it makes it easier to organize workers into unions, that&#8217;s all. The real issue with card check is whether we want to encourage or discourage union organizing. It&#8217;s got little to nothing to do with secret ballots versus an open process. Both sides are simply being practical in pursuing their particular interests, which in the case of unions are diametrically opposite one another. That&#8217;s why the issue is so polarized, and why pro/con arguments about the actual specifics of card check hardly matter, and always break back down to pro/con attitudes towards unions. If you think labor unions are bad for the country, chances are you&#8217;re going to be against card check, and vice-versa, regardless of the nature of card check itself. It&#8217;s not really that complicated. As Daniel notes in NY-23, if the electorate is composed of sizable numbers of union members and their families, it&#8217;s very hard to Republicans to win elections while opposing card check. There&#8217;s nothing mysterious about this. Owens took advantage of this, and Scozzafava helped emphasize this. In a different kind of Republican district, with fewer unions members, the issue would not have helped Democrats at all, and would likely have hurt them.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Larison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Larison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it’s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?&quot;

In fact, I don&#039;t support EFCA.  I mentioned the odd focus on card check in this special election because I don&#039;t think most voters understand Republican objections to the legislation, and I am fairly sure that voters who get most of their information about this legislation from unions will see die-hard opposition to card check as nothing less than opposition to the rights of labor to organize.  As commenter jamie notes, the GOP does not exactly have a reputation of defending the interests of labor.  Emphasizing how hostile their candidate was to card check ensured that Scozzafava and her husband could drive labor voters into the Democratic camp very easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it’s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, I don&#8217;t support EFCA.  I mentioned the odd focus on card check in this special election because I don&#8217;t think most voters understand Republican objections to the legislation, and I am fairly sure that voters who get most of their information about this legislation from unions will see die-hard opposition to card check as nothing less than opposition to the rights of labor to organize.  As commenter jamie notes, the GOP does not exactly have a reputation of defending the interests of labor.  Emphasizing how hostile their candidate was to card check ensured that Scozzafava and her husband could drive labor voters into the Democratic camp very easily.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps I’m missing something here and someone could help me out. Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it’s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a union brother, I cannot tell you how touched I&#039;ve been over the past year to hear Republicans to passionately defend the rights of workers to hold a secret ballot to decide on union representation, when for the last thirty years Republicans have fought tooth and nail to prevent any kind of ballots on union organizing whatsoever.

This is similar to the recent vociferous Republican defences of the Medicare program(!), and indicates the extent to which progressives are succeeding at framing the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps I’m missing something here and someone could help me out. Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it’s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?</p></blockquote>
<p>As a union brother, I cannot tell you how touched I&#8217;ve been over the past year to hear Republicans to passionately defend the rights of workers to hold a secret ballot to decide on union representation, when for the last thirty years Republicans have fought tooth and nail to prevent any kind of ballots on union organizing whatsoever.</p>
<p>This is similar to the recent vociferous Republican defences of the Medicare program(!), and indicates the extent to which progressives are succeeding at framing the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A major similarity between Hoffman and Tedisco was that they, and their Republican analysts and advisers, were fooled about the nature of their districts by the long Republican histories and lopsided Republican registrations these happened to have. 

Any careful look at recent elections in these districts would have shown that the real federal level partisan voting split in both had narrowed to very little.  Both districts had long time Republican House incumbents who would normally win 65-35 against token challengers.  But U.S. Senate and Presidential elections statewide weren&#039;t terribly competitive either the other way.  The consistent higher federal Democratic performances in those and subtle Democratic trends in the districts got discounted.

Apparently a few Democratic analysts looked closely at all the numbers and saw that if/when there was a hard partisan shakeout, the Democratic and Democratic-leaning percentage would add up to at least the middle or mid-high forties.  That meant opportunities for a win against an incumbent gone bad (Gillibrand/Sweeney), an opponent with illusions of having a safely Republican district when it was actually already 50/50 (Murphy/Tedisco), or a split Republican field (Owens/Hoffman&amp;Scozzafava).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A major similarity between Hoffman and Tedisco was that they, and their Republican analysts and advisers, were fooled about the nature of their districts by the long Republican histories and lopsided Republican registrations these happened to have. </p>
<p>Any careful look at recent elections in these districts would have shown that the real federal level partisan voting split in both had narrowed to very little.  Both districts had long time Republican House incumbents who would normally win 65-35 against token challengers.  But U.S. Senate and Presidential elections statewide weren&#8217;t terribly competitive either the other way.  The consistent higher federal Democratic performances in those and subtle Democratic trends in the districts got discounted.</p>
<p>Apparently a few Democratic analysts looked closely at all the numbers and saw that if/when there was a hard partisan shakeout, the Democratic and Democratic-leaning percentage would add up to at least the middle or mid-high forties.  That meant opportunities for a win against an incumbent gone bad (Gillibrand/Sweeney), an opponent with illusions of having a safely Republican district when it was actually already 50/50 (Murphy/Tedisco), or a split Republican field (Owens/Hoffman&amp;Scozzafava).</p>
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		<title>By: DDanicic</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDanicic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that point, conradg. It seems backwards, somehow. If you&#039;re a millworker in, like, Steubenville Ohio, you probably think the union is a pretty conservative institution, actually. It at least tries to keep your job in America, in your hometown. It keeps you and your neighbors middle-class and sending your kids to decent schools, or at least it used to. It&#039;s what made the job you have today something your dad could be happy and proud to pass on to you. Anyway, I&#039;m sure someone else could go on and on about the socially conservative properties of unions. That doesn&#039;t mean that cardcheck is right, or that unions can&#039;t be corrupt or mindlessly Democrat - just maybe that conservatives shouldn&#039;t consider unions the archenemy, as we do today. And maybe we could consider both sides of a union issue like cardcheck before we decide it&#039;s a plot to assassinate the Romanovs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that point, conradg. It seems backwards, somehow. If you&#8217;re a millworker in, like, Steubenville Ohio, you probably think the union is a pretty conservative institution, actually. It at least tries to keep your job in America, in your hometown. It keeps you and your neighbors middle-class and sending your kids to decent schools, or at least it used to. It&#8217;s what made the job you have today something your dad could be happy and proud to pass on to you. Anyway, I&#8217;m sure someone else could go on and on about the socially conservative properties of unions. That doesn&#8217;t mean that cardcheck is right, or that unions can&#8217;t be corrupt or mindlessly Democrat &#8211; just maybe that conservatives shouldn&#8217;t consider unions the archenemy, as we do today. And maybe we could consider both sides of a union issue like cardcheck before we decide it&#8217;s a plot to assassinate the Romanovs.</p>
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		<title>By: ronbeas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronbeas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Dick Armey&#039;s army doesn&#039;t seem to understand is that Republicans north of the Mason Dixon line are not and don&#039;t want to be Texans.  If they prevail the Republican party will remain a party of the old confederacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Dick Armey&#8217;s army doesn&#8217;t seem to understand is that Republicans north of the Mason Dixon line are not and don&#8217;t want to be Texans.  If they prevail the Republican party will remain a party of the old confederacy.</p>
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		<title>By: conradg</title>
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		<dc:creator>conradg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a union member, but I&#039;ve never seen the problem with card check. We sign up for all kinds of things, I don&#039;t see why signing up for a union is any different. Union are private organizations, not public governmental institutions. The government doesn&#039;t really have any business telling workers how they sign up for unions, whether it be card check or elections, as long as it is done fairly and openly, without corruption. Clearly there&#039;s corruption in unions already, and in their elections. I don&#039;t see that it would be worse with card check. It could reasonably be said to be better. But again, telling private unions that they can&#039;t choose to unionize through card check rather than elections seems like the kind of intrusion into the private sphere that conservatives usually abhor. Imagine how they would react if the government forced shareholders in corporations to use standard elections protocols like one man, one vote, or completely anonymous voting. If corporate shareholders don&#039;t have to vote anonymously, why should we force workers to? It seems like the deck gets stacked against working people every step of the way, and in favor of the wealthy and powerful. How exactly is that a conservative social or political philosophy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a union member, but I&#8217;ve never seen the problem with card check. We sign up for all kinds of things, I don&#8217;t see why signing up for a union is any different. Union are private organizations, not public governmental institutions. The government doesn&#8217;t really have any business telling workers how they sign up for unions, whether it be card check or elections, as long as it is done fairly and openly, without corruption. Clearly there&#8217;s corruption in unions already, and in their elections. I don&#8217;t see that it would be worse with card check. It could reasonably be said to be better. But again, telling private unions that they can&#8217;t choose to unionize through card check rather than elections seems like the kind of intrusion into the private sphere that conservatives usually abhor. Imagine how they would react if the government forced shareholders in corporations to use standard elections protocols like one man, one vote, or completely anonymous voting. If corporate shareholders don&#8217;t have to vote anonymously, why should we force workers to? It seems like the deck gets stacked against working people every step of the way, and in favor of the wealthy and powerful. How exactly is that a conservative social or political philosophy?</p>
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		<title>By: Norwegian Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norwegian Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fast Jimmy - &quot;Most of the argument for card check seems to be based on the assumption of heavy-handed employer intimidation. If this is so out of control, then why not refine the laws that define what an employer can and cannot claim or say to its workers.&quot;

It&#039;s assumed because it&#039;s true! The problem is employers routinely break the laws currently on the books. And just how do union organizers intimidate their fellow workers without &lt;a&gt;any power to do so&lt;/a&gt;? The dreaded union evil eye?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fast Jimmy &#8211; &#8220;Most of the argument for card check seems to be based on the assumption of heavy-handed employer intimidation. If this is so out of control, then why not refine the laws that define what an employer can and cannot claim or say to its workers.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s assumed because it&#8217;s true! The problem is employers routinely break the laws currently on the books. And just how do union organizers intimidate their fellow workers without <a>any power to do so</a>? The dreaded union evil eye?</p>
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		<title>By: Norwegian Shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norwegian Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;movement activist zombies&quot; - love the phrase. By all means, kick the Club for Growth when they&#039;re down. What have they done to deserve anything but contempt? Speaking of phrases, &quot;Club&quot; sounds terrible, combine it with &quot;for Growth&quot; and it becomes cabalistic, obscene, and/or about gardening.

Great analysis, you need a booking agent to get on TV.

NY-23 is a perfect example of the merits of &lt;a href=&quot;http://instantrunoff.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Instant Runoff Voting&lt;/a&gt; - that we in St. Paul, MN approved for municipal elections on Tuesday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;movement activist zombies&#8221; &#8211; love the phrase. By all means, kick the Club for Growth when they&#8217;re down. What have they done to deserve anything but contempt? Speaking of phrases, &#8220;Club&#8221; sounds terrible, combine it with &#8220;for Growth&#8221; and it becomes cabalistic, obscene, and/or about gardening.</p>
<p>Great analysis, you need a booking agent to get on TV.</p>
<p>NY-23 is a perfect example of the merits of <a href="http://instantrunoff.com/" rel="nofollow">Instant Runoff Voting</a> &#8211; that we in St. Paul, MN approved for municipal elections on Tuesday.</p>
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		<title>By: Fast Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fast Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be obvious, but a secret ballot allows workers to anonymously, and without intimidation from either the employer or the union organizers, vote their conscience and opinion.  

To put it in a way that follows your own logic precisely, If 50 percent of the employees can&#039;t be persuaded to vote anonymously and safely for something that is so overwhelmingly to their advantage, then why have card check, other than to give the unions time for intimidation?

Most of the argument for card check seems to be based on the assumption of heavy-handed employer intimidation.  If this is so out of control, then why not refine the laws that define what an employer can and cannot claim or say to its workers.

Card check, union favoritism, and the various ways that todays discredited unions are trying to achieve their goals of more money for workers and more power for union stewards aren&#039;t worth ignoring for the sake of convenience.  One needs look no further than the Transit Workers Union in Philly shutting down the city in spite of a generous offer, UAW&#039;s repeated strong arm tactics to extort unfundable health care benefits, or the Boeing machinists unions antics to see why unions can no longer persuade normal people to join or the public at large to support their cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be obvious, but a secret ballot allows workers to anonymously, and without intimidation from either the employer or the union organizers, vote their conscience and opinion.  </p>
<p>To put it in a way that follows your own logic precisely, If 50 percent of the employees can&#8217;t be persuaded to vote anonymously and safely for something that is so overwhelmingly to their advantage, then why have card check, other than to give the unions time for intimidation?</p>
<p>Most of the argument for card check seems to be based on the assumption of heavy-handed employer intimidation.  If this is so out of control, then why not refine the laws that define what an employer can and cannot claim or say to its workers.</p>
<p>Card check, union favoritism, and the various ways that todays discredited unions are trying to achieve their goals of more money for workers and more power for union stewards aren&#8217;t worth ignoring for the sake of convenience.  One needs look no further than the Transit Workers Union in Philly shutting down the city in spite of a generous offer, UAW&#8217;s repeated strong arm tactics to extort unfundable health care benefits, or the Boeing machinists unions antics to see why unions can no longer persuade normal people to join or the public at large to support their cause.</p>
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		<title>By: M.Z. Forrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.Z. Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an area where a significant number of GOP members are union members, opposing their pet issue is generally a bad idea.

&lt;i&gt;It is patently preposterous to do away with the secret ballot.&lt;/i&gt;
It does a lot a good at companies that like to fire and intimidate union supporters prior to votes.  The cards do have to be verified.  If 51% of the employees have signed cards, then why should they have to vote, other than to give the employer time for intimidation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an area where a significant number of GOP members are union members, opposing their pet issue is generally a bad idea.</p>
<p><i>It is patently preposterous to do away with the secret ballot.</i><br />
It does a lot a good at companies that like to fire and intimidate union supporters prior to votes.  The cards do have to be verified.  If 51% of the employees have signed cards, then why should they have to vote, other than to give the employer time for intimidation?</p>
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		<title>By: Fast Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fast Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opposition to card check, and other union-supported legislative fiats designed to preserve the power and influence of unions where regular political activity has failed is not one of the problems with &#039;movement&#039; GOP members.
Perhaps I&#039;m missing something here and someone could help me out.  Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it&#039;s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?
I think we&#039;ve seen time and time again that unions of today are committed to accomplishing with legislation what their members and especially leaders could never convince a skeptical public to accept.
It is patently preposterous to do away with the secret ballot.  Most moderate democrats I&#039;ve talked to agree.   The EFCA has other items that will damage 90 percent of workers to favor a well-connected 10 percent.   I&#039;ll call this &#039;movement obsession&#039; a principled stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opposition to card check, and other union-supported legislative fiats designed to preserve the power and influence of unions where regular political activity has failed is not one of the problems with &#8216;movement&#8217; GOP members.<br />
Perhaps I&#8217;m missing something here and someone could help me out.  Does Mr. Larison support the EFCA and it&#8217;s awful arbitration and secret ballot destroying provisions?<br />
I think we&#8217;ve seen time and time again that unions of today are committed to accomplishing with legislation what their members and especially leaders could never convince a skeptical public to accept.<br />
It is patently preposterous to do away with the secret ballot.  Most moderate democrats I&#8217;ve talked to agree.   The EFCA has other items that will damage 90 percent of workers to favor a well-connected 10 percent.   I&#8217;ll call this &#8216;movement obsession&#8217; a principled stand.</p>
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		<title>By: el_longhorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>el_longhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I can&#039;t believe is that a traditionally Republican district, having seen the Presidency and the Congress go to the Democrats and having seen the proposals that the Democrats have put forward regarding climate change, health care, etc., decided to ELECT ANOTHER DEMOCRAT and strengthen the President and the Democratic majority in Congress! 

I don&#039;t think the Democrats realize how mainstream they have become. They need to lose their trepidation and move forward with their agenda. The American public largely supports it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t believe is that a traditionally Republican district, having seen the Presidency and the Congress go to the Democrats and having seen the proposals that the Democrats have put forward regarding climate change, health care, etc., decided to ELECT ANOTHER DEMOCRAT and strengthen the President and the Democratic majority in Congress! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Democrats realize how mainstream they have become. They need to lose their trepidation and move forward with their agenda. The American public largely supports it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Copold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Copold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NRCC funded Scozzofava to the tune of nearly $1 million dollars.  If that doesn&#039;t make her candidacy was pretty solidly establishment, I don&#039;t know what does.  Most of the national figures like Pawlenty didn&#039;t jump on board until after Palin (who is not popular in DC circles) endorsed Hoffmann AND after it was clear that Scozzofava was a disastrous pick who was going down in flames.

Whatever one wants to make of the election, it has forced the NRSC to disavow involvement in open primary campaigns, as it has in Florida.  That alone is a rather crucial victory.

As for the Club for Growth, well, they really didn&#039;t have much to lose.  Owens was arguably a better candidate for them than Scozzofava.

The one point that I think really hurt Hoffmann is his McCainish stand on immigration.  I think that probably did more damage than supporting card check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NRCC funded Scozzofava to the tune of nearly $1 million dollars.  If that doesn&#8217;t make her candidacy was pretty solidly establishment, I don&#8217;t know what does.  Most of the national figures like Pawlenty didn&#8217;t jump on board until after Palin (who is not popular in DC circles) endorsed Hoffmann AND after it was clear that Scozzofava was a disastrous pick who was going down in flames.</p>
<p>Whatever one wants to make of the election, it has forced the NRSC to disavow involvement in open primary campaigns, as it has in Florida.  That alone is a rather crucial victory.</p>
<p>As for the Club for Growth, well, they really didn&#8217;t have much to lose.  Owens was arguably a better candidate for them than Scozzofava.</p>
<p>The one point that I think really hurt Hoffmann is his McCainish stand on immigration.  I think that probably did more damage than supporting card check.</p>
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